Thank god that's over. :) Or their is at least an understanding. Griphon I never tried to change your ways of viewing this subject nor anyone else's. Those chords are very tedious indeed, especially nowdays. I think the F, G, and I chords would still hold up today if the dominant wasn't introduced. They were legit but ultimately confusing, and I guessing thats why they were renamed dominants. Also, this is why I was explaining them in more modern terms.

A small question. If each of the 3 F, G, and I chords were different. Would either the German or Italian chord be "7#5" or just a plain dominant?? I noticed there is one solid dominant 7 chord, and 2 altered (#5, b5). Chris stated the french 6 is the altered (b5) dominant 7 chord. Which one is the natural dominant 7, and which one is the other altered (#5) dominant 7 chord? Just wondering if this is the case.