Originally posted by griphon2
Going to try this one more time. It is in a sense a maj triad with a #6 extension. (It evolved to this idea much later, and quite frankly is never used.) Actually, in it's simplest form, a 1st inversion minor in which the upper 4th is raised 1/2 step (or the original root raised). It is not "the augmented chord with a 6 extension." This idea has nothing to do with the augmented chord. Augmented chords (#5) are completely different puppies from Aug 6 chords. Augmented 7th chords are completely different puppies from Aug 6 chords.

I have been saying that in every post I have written on this subject. Of course the F, G, and I’s augmented 6 chord is completely different from the augmented 6 we understand today. This is why I am strongly against calling it (F, G, and I chord) an augmented 6. It is obviously not by the chordal system we have today. Chris even said it himself, this chord was rooted to describe the Dominant 7 chord we replaced it with. Since today these terms, augmented and dominant, are different; it is nothing less than confusion. You can't have 2 different augmented 6 chords. You can not tell me this chord in this arrangement is not an A Augmented 6 chord: A, C#, E#, F#. It is in fact, an A augmented 6. So what would you call: A, C#, E, F#??? An A augmented 6?? Well I thought the first one was an Augmented 6 chord?? See how this is completely confusing and unnecessary. I would call the 2nd one, Amaj#6; it is perfectly correct and it also prevents the confusion of the two. The F, G, and I’s augmented 6 is an OLD IDEA, maybe for the traditional theorist it is important, but modernly it is a obsolete. Stop trying to bring old stuff back to explain modern stuff, IT DOESN’T WORK!!!

Originally posted by griphon2
The real difference between dominants and Aug6 is the resolution of the tritone. As I said long ago. The real important item of this chord is Aug 6 =3rd moves down, 7th moves up.
Dom 7 = 3rd moves up, 7th moves down.

If this is the reason that you still call it (F, G, I chord)the augmented 6, it is still unnecessary. I strongly believe it should be left in the past. I'm also guessing that when you say the 7th in the augmented 6 chord, you are referring to the 6th. There is no 7th in the augmented 6th. The numbers after the names, well they do mean something (meaning they don't change to fit enharmonic analysis). The Aug 6, or as I'm going to put it, Maj#6. Still has the same resolution, the #6 still wants to go up. The modern Aug6, the 5th(#5) still wants to move up, usually 1/2 step. The 6th will move down, and 3rd will move up. I am mostly sure of the previous sentence for I have not used this theory in many years. I am still 100% sure of the Aug6's #5 moving up 1/2 step, when the F, G, I augmented 6 (Maj#6), the 5th will move with the root (adding to griphon's statement). Which established my point anyways. I do not disagree with your statement on the resolution of these chords, I am only showing the difference between the 2 different augmented chords. Geez, even writing about it is confusing me. LOL. I do not support this theory, I still believe you should follow your ear. Music is an art not a science, so all this is pure rubbish to a true creative mind. No Offense. If it helps some fine, do what you want. These rules clearly limit your creativity.

One last statement, I believe this difference of opinions is a good thing for I have learned something. Before I was unaware of the Augmented 6 that was used by the F, G, and I. Now I am, and although I don't agree with it being called that anymore. It has opened me up a little more. Chris, I have been looking into it, if you have any recommendations. That would be awesome. Griphon, I did try to look at this site.It didn't work. In the end, nothing has changed my mind, and I feel nothing will. My agruement is legit! The reason I rival all statements, that I don't agree with and are so traditionally valued, is the fact that all theories change. For that is what music theory is, a theory. This disagreement is an argument over those theories, and all these theories began as a Point of View (even the analytical ones). None are labeled facts, now are they??



[Edited by noticingthemistake on 02-15-2003 at 04:37 PM]