Originally posted by chris mood
This is one of those things they like to drill into you in theory class in college, just like counter point and all the rules for it (no parallel 5th's or 4th's)There really is no relevance for this stuff in Modern music (regardless of style).

Something I do not agree with. I know in theory they will want you to completely understand it's points and counterpoints. But as you said yourself, there is no use of it in modern music. So why confuse people. I never went to college to learn any of this, yet I was still able to identify the problem in the first post. I said augmented by music definition directly points to the chord, not the raising of a note. Some may get enlightened by this, but I feel most will only be confused and music itself is a rather simple subject when you don't try to bunch the complete history of ideas into it.

Originally posted by chris mood
Now that we're all clear on this subject (hopefully), I think you and Griphon should apologize to each other -LOL-
*what happened to Griph? Did he get kicked off?

I was clear from the beginning, and I don't think I said anything disrespectful to griphon. If he feels that I have, I do apologize. I do not wish for him to leave this site for good, he was intelligent when it came to this stuff. I just wish he would pay attention to what I say, instead of calling me a liar. :mad: I only tried to make this a reasonable discussion rather than what it had became. I believe the only way to learn is to attack ideas, and not just say, "oh ok that must be right". And to learn to know when your wrong. I was clearly wrong about the F, G, and I idea, but I know it is obsolete, so I will not persue into it's understanding.