Originally posted by griphon2
A raised 6 or augmented 6 or #6, IS a b7.

Yeah, enharmonically speaking they are the same note(sound). We have been though this before, the reason one is #6 and other is b7 is because of their function within the key and/or chord. It actually saves alot of confusion when you are aware of this. It's just like counting, and it makes the whole chordal structure into 32 total chords. Mixing them up will multiply that number. Plus the fact of using them within a key, would multiply that again a couple of times. But go with what is easier for you.

Originally posted by griphon2
French, Italian and German Augmented 6s are the classical equivalents to dominant 7th chords. (neapolitan 6s are bII chords).
As I said in a post, that's a PRAGMATIC view.

Well, as an american I not aware of and not concerned with the french, italian, and german ways. To me they couldn't have made it anymore confusing by doing that, I thought music was one language. If I'm clear on what your saying. A #6 doesn't exist in the Neopolitan scale, it's a b6. There is a b7, again saying that is a #6 only makes things more confusing. If thats the way the french, italian, and germans see it. Kool, but they probably see other things differently too. Which would probably rival everything that the american system stands for and works for me (cause I'm american). To me, it is a waste to even pursue any interest in that. As I clearly explained before, they (aug6 and dom7) are not the same chord. Not even enharmonically. In the end, since we're both american it's a waste to even bring it up in the first place. No offense.

P.s The Augmented sixth chord is also called and can be found more traditionally as a Augmented 4th (second inversion) and a m/maj7 (4th inversion).

[Edited by noticingthemistake on 02-13-2003 at 02:41 PM]