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01/12/2021 3:03 pm

Hi there, I'm Pete Fletcher from the south coast of England . So, at the tender age of 50 , I've decided to have a crack at learning the guitar! I've had a guitar ( Washburn electric acoustic) for a while but it's just gathering dust, so , what with this crappy virus and being temporarily laid off work ( we are are in super lockdown here!) I'm determined to win this thing over. [br]I know it won't be easy, but I'm reasonably adaptable.

so far I've started the beginners course and I was wondering on how long I should practice for every day. I was thinking maybe two hours a day ? I've still not perfected the fret board ( as far as bumping into other strings are concerned!) The sore tops of my fingers are maybe ( initially) telling me otherwise. What would you guys recommend? [br]any encouragement will be gladly accepted. ![br][br]

Pete


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01/12/2021 3:58 pm

Pete, how much you should practice per day is an individual decision. Lot's of people are time limited due to career, family requirements, etc. and have the decision made for them. Others, such as me due to retirment, and obviously you, aren't so restrained.

I think it is a fairly well accepted fact that the more you practice the faster you will progress.

But there is a point of diminishing return. One can only absorb so much. Also, you don't want to impose upon yourself a negative thought with practice, especially with something like finger tips hurting. And practice sometimes, you will find, is just frustrating. If the fingertips hurt back off for a bit until they quiet down. Build up the callouses. If you get frustrqted back off and play something fun!

If you can practice a couple hours a day a lot of people around here are probably going to be envious. Do that for a while and see how you do. I hope some of the instructors on here will share their thoughts.

Good luck to you.


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01/12/2021 4:42 pm
Originally Posted by: fletchkov1970

Hi there, I'm Pete Fletcher from the south coast of England . So, at the tender age of 50 , I've decided to have a crack at learning the guitar! I've had a guitar ( Washburn electric acoustic) for a while but it's just gathering dust, so , what with this crappy virus and being temporarily laid off work ( we are are in super lockdown here!) I'm determined to win this thing over. [br]I know it won't be easy, but I'm reasonably adaptable.

so far I've started the beginners course and I was wondering on how long I should practice for every day. I was thinking maybe two hours a day ? I've still not perfected the fret board ( as far as bumping into other strings are concerned!) The sore tops of my fingers are maybe ( initially) telling me otherwise. What would you guys recommend? [br]any encouragement will be gladly accepted. ![br][br]

Pete

The question boils down to how you progress. Many new players want to progress quickly. What you really want to do is progress naturally.

What does that mean?

When I read that players want to practice hours a day, while I understand the excitment of wanting to get better and that this is the natural outgrowth of a new guitar player in the new player 'honeymoon period', it can also create frustration once that honeymoon shine wears off. If you push too hard, the shine will wear off. Trust me. I've seen it so many times.

How do you avoid the shine wearing off, you ask?

That's where the 'naturally' thing comes in to play.

Don't measure your progress by the time you spend practicing. It's a false measurement and maton is right on the money that the more you practice, the better you get but is also correct in saying that eventually you get diminishing returns. That's right on the money.

Still, what is 'naturally'?

Don't measure by time. It will fail you and make you frustrated. Measure yourself by what you can accomplish not by how long you try. As you go through the lessons, set those small goals. Focus and acheive that small goal. It might be a single chord change from a D to an A. That's it. You're actually accomplishing something other than how many minutes are ticking off an arbitrary practice time.

This also allows you to stop when your fingers are a bit tender. All those song lyric references and guitar players that say they played until their fingers bled? Garbage. Pure garbage. If you play until you get fingertip blisters, you won't be playing tomorrow or for several days.

It's better to practice is small incremental chunks even if it's a couple of smaller sessions a day than to push your fingers and your ability to acheive in an unnatural way.

This isn't revolutionary but I've seen so many players over the years fall in to the trap that they have to practice all day and it drives many to quit. You don't have to block time per se. You do have to dedicate chunks of time to practicing, that's true. It's a matter of how you decide to structure that to maximize that time and iimprovement.

Also, if your practice is based on getting a specific discipline down, you are really adding building blocks to your overall skill.

This is also very important; thinking in terms of smaller building blocks is a skill you will use for as long as you play guitar. If I want to learn a new song or technique, I break it in to small chunks. I've been playing for 38-odd years and it's always how I've done it. For me, it works.

What you do now will help you in the future and likely you won't always be able to dedicate hours to practice and by structuring by progress and not time, will better serve you when your employment situation changes. You'll still be able to grow using the same tools you start with now.

My thoughts.


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01/12/2021 6:59 pm

Thanks Jeff ! wise words indeed, which make perfect sense! [br][br]


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01/12/2021 7:51 pm

Welcome! And I would add to this that it's less about how much you practice and HOW you practice. There's ample research that shows that mindful, deliberate practice that focuses on specific areas of weakness does more than hours and hours of sloppy practice.

I need to take my own advice, BTW. Too often I practice but I don't reallly focus on what I'm doing or have a goal or a plan. The price is that I plateau oftener than I otherwise would.


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01/12/2021 9:56 pm

Hey! So, I guess you are right. Today I just concentrated on the spider walk thingy and trying to hit the notes on the first three or four frets. That's all I did , and kept an eye on my thumb too. Whilst it wasn't a Great Leap Forward , I was happy that I'd progressed a little.


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01/12/2021 10:04 pm
Originally Posted by: matonanjin2

Pete, how much you should practice per day is an individual decision. Lot's of people are time limited due to career, family requirements, etc. and have the decision made for them. Others, such as me due to retirment, and obviously you, aren't so restrained.

I think it is a fairly well accepted fact that the more you practice the faster you will progress.

But there is a point of diminishing return. One can only absorb so much. Also, you don't want to impose upon yourself a negative thought with practice, especially with something like finger tips hurting. And practice sometimes, you will find, is just frustrating. If the fingertips hurt back off for a bit until they quiet down. Build up the callouses. If you get frustrqted back off and play something fun!

If you can practice a couple hours a day a lot of people around here are probably going to be envious. Do that for a while and see how you do. I hope some of the instructors on here will share their thoughts.

Good luck to you.

Thanks for your reply.

intially, I think I'm gonna go two hours, one in the morning,one in the PM. Whilst I have the time ( I'll soon be back at work) . I need something to focus on whilst off , as this is the second time I've been temporarily laid off due to COVID-19. If something good can come out of it , then I'd be very happy.

whilst I'm obsessed with music, I've never played any, so I'm a complete novice here, hence the question!


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01/12/2021 10:15 pm
[quote=matonanjin2]

Pete, how much you should practice per day is an individual decision. Lot's of people are time limited due to career, family requirements, etc. and have the decision made for them. Others, such as me due to retirment, and obviously you, aren't so restrained.

I think it is a fairly well accepted fact that the more you practice the faster you will progress.

But there is a point of diminishing return. One can only absorb so much. Also, you don't want to impose upon yourself a negative thought with practice, especially with something like finger tips hurting. And practice sometimes, you will find, is just frustrating. If the fingertips hurt back off for a bit until they quiet down. Build up the callouses. If you get frustrqted back off and play something fun!

If you can practice a couple hours a day a lot of people around here are probably going to be envious. Do that for a while and see how you do. I hope some of the instructors on here will share their thoughts.

Good luck to you.

Thanks for your reply.

intially, I think I'm gonna go two hours, one in the morning,one in the PM. Whilst I have the time ( I'll soon be back at work) . I need something to focus on whilst off , as this is the second time I've been temporarily laid off due to COVID-19. If something good can come out of it , then I'd be very happy.

whilst I'm obsessed with music, I've never played any, so I'm a complete novice here, hence the question!


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01/13/2021 6:20 pm

well.....as a newbie myself, and having loads of time on my hands ...here's my 2ps worth....

I practice every day, not for a set time - but certainly i start off for @ 45 mins... then take a break , do something else - esp if i have got stuck or my fngers hurt. then come back to it later for just a few minutes.

and its amazing how a break can help - when you pop back a couple of hours later and its just get it right , very rewarding.

yet, if it goes not so well....well take a break and come back to it.....and suddenly it will all work .

works for me


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01/14/2021 11:10 am
Originally Posted by: JeffS65

All those song lyric references and guitar players that say they played until their fingers bled? Garbage. Pure garbage. If you play until you get fingertip blisters, you won't be playing tomorrow or for several days.

My thoughts.

This might also be the advantage of starting very young because you will be playing on your guitar all day long in your bedroom and/or with friends.

I remember as a youngster making other music than now me and my friends where in our homestudio hours and hours a day.


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01/20/2021 9:32 pm

If it's any help, I was bought a guitar for my 70th birthday. So that gives you 20 years of practice on me.

I had some previous knowledge, however I have started off from stage 1 and have learnt loads.

I practice about 30 to 45 min a day (about as much as I can absorb and fingers can take). It's life fulfilling, no need to rush.

It is an excellent, well structured course from my observations. Prepare for the long haul, and look foreward to self satisfaction rather than instant gratification.

Cheers


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