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steelhorseangel
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12/05/2020 8:39 pm

Hi fellow musicians.

My name is Angel and I'm a female biker and a rock music lover from the UK.

I've always wanted to play, I've never had the time until the Covid UK lockdowns.

I'd my car wrote off by a bad driver and I now have neck and back injuries.

I've never ever touched a guitar before, a good time to learn, while I recover.

I've made 2 mistakes so far, bought a Tanglewood acoustic electro from Ebay and when it arrived it's too big. Not all guitars fit everyone. I've 5' 7".

Then I decided to buy a travel electric guitar called Anygig and I can't make a chord without muting a neighbour string or 2?

Sadly this wonderful guitar is too narrow and I've always been involved in gymnastics and my fingers are stronger than most. My fingers take too much space on the Anygig fretboard? I'm finding it hard to play a chord.

What would be the ideal beginners electric guitar for an athletic lassie please?

Many thanks

Angel


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manXcat
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12/05/2020 10:35 pm

Edit: I misread and later then reread your question. I had posted the following pertinent to acoustic and e-acoustic (electric acoustic) which I'll leave just in case.

So to clarify, are you actually wanting a solid body electric or electric acoustic now? You'll [u]want[/u] an amp as well if buying a solid body electric.

What's your budget?

New or second hand? NB. New is better IMPO if you don't know what to look for when you're buying. But, it's your money.

Until you know what you want from an electric, I'd recommend you kick off with a Squier given your remit. Tele or Strat. Affinitys or Bullet, both are inexpensive, reasonable build quality, and both work well. The Strats come in an optional HSS (Affinity) and HT (Bullet) versions. See Dave Simpson's Bullet Strat review here. 11mm string spacing, slim beginner friendly neck profiles and nuts. With a setup they work very, are tonally versatile more than adequate for the first couple of years until you know and want more. Helen Ibe plays a Tele, albeit a Fender. Teles are very comfortable guitars, particularly the slightly slimmer body Affinity.

Re another (e-)coustic. Posted earlier.

To the question. Buy a Concert body (mid sized) or Parlor body (smaller) acoustic guitar if you want an acoustic. One of those two body sizes will provide a compfortable fit for the average to smaller build. Parlor if your build is petite.

Concerts also frequently come as optional [u]cutaway[/u] (for access to the upper frets) and/or [u]slimline[/u] versions. Parlors are generally small enough and less frequently cutaways. Both are available as e-acoustics if so desired.

Features to look for endo/meso fretting finger considerations. Scale length, string spacing. The tighter the string spacing, the less friendly to 'sausage' fingers, but also the easier for shorter fingers with less [u]natural[/u] joint flexibility. Same with scale length. Short scale favours shorter fingers/smaller hands, but doesn't endear itelf to sausage fingers. Neck profile. Most contemporary beginner guitars today slimmer easy play neck profiles friendlier to beginners, but as always, try before buy if you have no concept of what slim C, C, D, V profiles etc.

A scooped bridge on an acoustic will lessen the string tension just as lighter gauge strings will. The latter alters the tone and volume in an acoustic noticeably. The former doesn't.

[br]So to recommendations.

Yamaha CSF Parlor. Well priced, great performer. I'd buy one myself, and probably will sometime. I just don't need one right now. Definitely worth your checking one out.

Among others, I use a Yamaha APX600 slimline cutaway as my preferred e-acoustic, but from the gist of your post you didn't like your Anygig's slimline body, and the APX600 also has a narrow 10mm string spacing and shortened scale length. Good for small & petite hands but not for sausage fingers. The APX1000 has 11mm which is average, but may be above your preferred.pricepoint.

Cort make great quality but affordable acoustic guitars which punch way above their pricepoints as well, and generally tend to use a standard 11mm string spacing. They'll have something fitting your budget, body and hands which will satisfy andd serve musically as well.

Here is a selectionof what they can offer starting from most expensive (at the top) to least expensive (at the bottom) within their range in Parlor and Concert sizes.

Those are the two brands I'd personally be looking at for optimum blend of quality, price and performance. Both are available internationally pretty much everywhere in the world.

All the best finding what you're looking for.


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William MG
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12/06/2020 1:01 pm

Hi Angel,

I had never heard of the anygig until you brought it up and looked it up on YouTube. This thing is getting some serious thumbs up. Until Covid I still travelled quite a bit and may just buy one of these. What a great thing to have thrown in the back seat of the car.

I am not going to make any recommendations because guitars are so personal. But I would like to offer that what you are experiencing on the anygig is because you are just beginning. The neck width as measured at the nut (block at the top of the neck that the strings run through) on this unit is 42mm. That is about the same as a Gibson Les Paul. To put things in context, one of my electrics has a 40mm nut width and presents no problem to play - now. When just starting out I had the same issue as yourself.

Have fun and shop around, most of us love gear shopping, but don't confuse your current condition with the wrong unit. Things will come together with practice.

To illustrate the issue, I can't imaging your hands would be as large as the mits on big Steve:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dbz8X6iGww

Good luck.


This year the diet is definitely gonna stick!

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12/06/2020 3:59 pm

Many thanks fellow musician for the quick replies!

Sausage fingers here! Made me laugh that!

Just what we all need in the current B movie situation.

I'm wanting to play rock, so I'm looking for a good electric guitar.

No budget, just looking for a quality instrument and not a bad copy of something.

Thanks again for your advice all!

Keep well, keep free and keep on strumming!

Best regards

Angel from the UK


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12/06/2020 8:27 pm
[quote=steelhorseangel]

No budget, just looking for a quality instrument and not a bad copy of something.]

You have the right idea here. The main reason I don't try to suggest guitars is it's a waste of time. Guitars are emotional, not practical. And most of us on here continue to buy, even though we already have 1 guitar too many. But that pretty little thing hanging on the wall...

It's pretty hard to buy a bad guitar these days from any of the bigger names. That being said I just had a bad experience with a PRS. But these were cosmetic flaws. The guitar itself played like a dream.

When I think of my guitars I think of what they sound good doing. I like AC DC. My Epiphone Les Paul allows me to get closer to that sound than my Telecaster. Maybe start there. Who do you listen to. If it's GNR, I can't ever recall seeing Slash play a Strat.


This year the diet is definitely gonna stick!

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12/07/2020 12:26 am
Originally Posted by: steelhorseangel

I'm a female biker and a rock music lover from the UK.

I've always wanted to play, I've never had the time

I've never ever touched a guitar before

I've made 2 mistakes so far, ..snip.... it's too big. Not all guitars fit everyone. I've 5' 7".

I decided to buy a travel electric guitar called Anygig and I can't make a chord without muting a neighbour string or 2?

My fingers take too much space on the Anygig fretboard?

I've always been involved in gymnastics and my fingers are stronger than most.

What would be the ideal beginners electric guitar for an athletic lassie please?

Hi again Angel

Recommendations for a first electric guitar suited to ab through post initio learning and growing ability can most certainly provide useful guidance to a newb, and contrary to alternative opinion, doesn't have to be all about emotion nor impulse driven, and frankly shoudn't be for a practical tool to begin with [u]if success is the objective[/u]. Aesthetic glam won't surivive beyond the initial encounter with the first few challenges of playing guitar once that novelty of initial excitment at its sexy image and looks wear off. Those who buy on looks and peer associative headstock label wannabe image are just as prone to being the 90% who quit in the first year Fender's market research fact based stats refer to.

It's up to you whether you're wanting to buy into an idealised image or a practical tool of course. My own perspective is to [u]buy the tool for the job (learning) you can actually use first[/u], and add that expensive image or dream ideal later when skills have developed to a point you know what you really want and need, and here's the important part, you can actually make use of it. initially, it won't matter a tinkers damn tonally, and most of that can be sorted with any digital practice amp worthy of the label today.

BTW, I'm very into Rock, doing the Rock path here and elsewhere.

The things you've said above i listed in precis is what we have to glean meaningful information with which to assist you.

"I've made 2 mistakes so far"

Be wise enough to not make yet another one.

This illustrates you're operating from a position of newb as we all were at one time or another when starting out. Being able to read specs on an info sheet isn't experience, and hasn't guided you well so far in your own words. You don't really want to make another mistake do you?

[u]Let me make clear my Squier suggestion wasn't cast in stone[/u]. It was thought through on the info you had provided to that point about your height, probable build, and finger description, taking into account your newb status and previous dissatisfaction with your purchases.

"I'm wanting to play rock, so I'm looking for a good electric guitar. No budget, just looking for a quality instrument and not a bad copy of something."

From your current playing perspective, how will you define a "quality instrument", let alone recognise a "bad copy of something"? Let alone suitability [u]for purpose now[/u] and forseeable short through medium term future. By its price tag, or its silkscreened headstock decal? Cool peer appoved looks?

Let me draw you an analogy. You say you're a biker. I've been riding for 47 years now. I still do. By choice I own and still ride high performance pocket rockets that punch way above their weight and handle so that they will smoke 1000s in anything but a long long straight line, and usually those too when ridden by the average numpty who understands little about physics involved in riding fast and has even less ability under duress. Was your first bike a high HP rocket or large CC capacity, or was it a relatively low HP model suited to purpose? Do you think a high performance high HP bike is actually necessary let alone prudent to learn and develop skills on initially, and trust me when I say from runs on the board with both, learning guitar to get to where you want to play has a longer learning curve which is less exciting and more frustrating, even if the only real risks are breaking a nail or blowing out the credit card balance.

I play Rock, and the Classic Rock genre and course here and elsewhere now is my focus. You can play Rock with anything unless you're referring to metal. But that's in the future, you just don't realise that yet. Buy for today, and buy better tomorrow when you do know what you want. Clean is important too when learning. Much as distortion sounds cool, it also hides mistakes.

If you want a truly great playing and sounding Rock guitar that both looks and sounds awesome for that genre, and importantly will fit you at 5'7", with string spacing which will accomodate non-petite fingers, that is a quality guitar and yet reasonably priced, look no further than a Revstar model with twin humbucker configuration.Yamaha Revstar. Think Les Paul tones ....without the baggage, or the inflated price. Just choose your colour and model. Even the humble RS320 with its ceramic PUPs and no Dry Switch sounds utterly primal playing rock through any half decent amp.

[br]If I might further clarify, what you need (vs want/desire) right now is a [u]versatile[/u] [u]training[/u] [u]tool[/u] suited to the [u]beginner[/u] [u]purpose[/u] (learning) which [u]physically fits[/u] you [u]well[/u] so you'll want to pick it up and play it aevery time you walk past it -unlike your previous purchases which I'm sure seemed a good idea at the time. If it isn't expensive that's a bonus which leaves plenty of meat on the bone for those other tools you'll want, like a better amp (put the money into this), cables, & a myriad of other stuff, [u]most importantly, tuition[/u].

I'm neither a Fender nor Squier aficionado in particular, so those initial recommendations I made earlier on the premise of your initial post were practical and will get you off the starting block into the race and beyond. The ceramic bridge pickup on a Squier Affinity Tele can sound very Rock, as will an AlNiCo. It's really up to the operator. And If you can't learn and make the noises you want with the humbucker on a HSS Strat, even if later there are preferred tools, it's not any fault of the guitar.

[br]You can do anything with a Tele trust me on this, and not just me. e.g. Eat out your heart at the awesome rhythm playing and tone of the Tele in this example. And this demonstration in the hands of Warleyson Almeida. A huge thing going for the venerable Tele [u]for you[/u] is fit/comfort.

[u]Stratocaster players in the Rock[/u] genre you may have heard of.

Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple. "Smoke On the Water", "Highway Star" or "Black Night".Insufficiently challenging for a noob, or not rockin' enough for you?

Eric Clapton, not so much a Rock player, as famous for Blues, but "Layla"?

Dave Gilmour Pink Floyd. Legend. 'nuff said.

Jimi Hendrix? Nope those strats ain't no good for nuttin'

How about these gals performing Punk Rock and Rock with....gasp ...a Strat!

Many of today's Rock exponents & shredders choose to use SuperStrats, merely with a more contemporary styled body.

It's your money to spend, the easy part, and your time and effort to put into learning. With that initial electric guitar purchase, make the second something you'll want to do every day. That's the really important part. A guitar you like to play vs like the celeb associative look of in superficial imagery or on the shop wall will make that second part happen.


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steelhorseangel
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12/07/2020 7:53 pm

Hi

Thank you for your help and advice.

You very thoughtful words of wisdom has been greatly received.

I like the way you think.

There are no music shops where I live and I don't anyone who plays guitar

or likes my genre's of music.

I'm a lassie of steely determination and I pride myself on being 100% committed to learning the guitar.

Not all women get sprayed orange, have addional claws fitted.

Breaking a nail is one for me, I help my Father and I'm a trained bike mechanic.

I can imagine you on your Royal Enfields happily playing your guitar (when riding) on long road trips.

My Father was 1% and an Angel, hence my name.

We restore bikes daily.

Current racing bike BMW K1200R, just fittng a guitar amp too it (thought about it) Na!

As this is a guitar learning site, smoking 1000's off, is a little off key my new friend.

Where are you located in the World then?

Sincerely, many thanks for helpng me!

Best regards

Angel


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12/07/2020 9:45 pm
Originally Posted by: steelhorseangelThere are no music shops where I live and I don't anyone who plays guitar[/quote]

Not quite none here, but only one. I bought my initital guitar there of reciprocated appreciation/loyalty for the advice received, and it was sound advice and that guitar still much loved and played. But their stock is limited, and apart from the decent enough but subservient to his boss employee who assisted me, their selection, service and attitude otherwise is abysmal, possibly because the owner perceives he has a captive market of numptys being the only LMS in a sizeable regional city. All other since bought online, delivered NIB and setup by me.

Originally Posted by: steelhorseangelI'm a lassie of steely determination[/quote]

Not a lassie, but I completely identify and admire that quality in anyone's character. "Lassie", indicative of north of the border??

Originally Posted by: steelhorseangelI'm a trained bike mechanic.[/quote]

Me too, just not formally qualified. Done my own teardowns, engine and bike (inc cassette) gearbox rebuilds regularly and maintenance on bikes and later first coupld of second hand cars since I was late teens early adult. A string of single and V twin Ducatis early in my riding days when their metallurgy was rubbish and they sourced their electrics from Woolworths on the way back from their lunch after downing a quart of grappa necessitated it. Looking after my own bikes with guidence ...among much beer drinking and storytelling, from mechanic bike shop owning and racing mates is probably why I'm still alive and don't have a body sack of healed broken bones. Hands on practical I also identify with and endorse. Good for you.

Originally Posted by: steelhorseangelI can imagine you on your Royal Enfields happily playing your guitar (when riding) on long road trips.

Ha hah. I'm not quite [u]that[/u] old, although have too much of the Lawrence daring do on his Brough Superior for my own good at times. No these (#1 & #2) are my current steeds I've kept from literally dozens of racing, road & dirt bikes. Ridden hard and a lot over the years, on track and off, mine are maintained in that condition. I can search out original images sometime if you like. I've posted them here in this forum in a prior post an aeon ago. Suzuki were great. They guaranteed (policy) genuine new parts available from them 20 years, even if they had to make them. But aftermarket pistons rings etc are still available. Original RG500 shock is long gone replaced by a rebuildable Fox racing shock, but I still have the original for a sale to a buyer wanting orig display status if my wife refuses to cremate them on my funeral pyre.

I like/prefer lightweight nimble high power to weight ratio quick steering fast handling rapiers combined with that shot-out-of-a-gun charateristic two stroke power delivery, especially when they hit the power band when the power valves open. Always ridden them like they look. Getting long in the tooth now like me, owned and maintained both since new. Had my share of big bore over the years and ridden them and with them frequently since, but prefer these. That RGV puts out more power at the rear wheel than my venerable 1975 900SS Ducati Super Sport did back in the day, & tracks as stabley but handles quicker and in every way far better yet weighs about 100KG less! Pretty hard on fuel consumption though. maintained at peak in the band circa 10.5-11.5K RPM, at full throttle it consumes it at a rate as fast if not faster than the four Mikunis of the higher HP 500!

[quote=steelhorseangel]Current racing bike BMW K1200R

Pic please?

Been an aeon since I saw a BMW on the racetrack back in the late 1970s, early 1980s, other than street rider track days. I really only follow MotoGP and the Moto2 now, so am out of touch with current Superbike classes. Miss the former two stroke dominated 500GP, especially the tight racing of the 250GP class.

[quote=steelhorseangel]Where are you located in the World then?

On the eastern coast of of Australia in the State of Queensland. 100M as the seagull flies from the Coral Sea.

[quote=steelhorseangel]Sincerely, many thanks for helpng me!

You're most welcome Angel. To help was my sincere primary intent. As you've probably derived, I think finding a guitar which fits [u]your physique comfortably[/u] is paramount to progress and enjoyment. Tone is inarguably a consideration, but not as important in the learning process and won't assume an imperative of significance until later. A beauty in the eye of the beholder aspect, looks are overwhelmingly important to some, but being less emotive type, a priority after the other two to me. Certainly nice to have something which pleases your eye though. But [u]how it fits[/u] and [u]how it rides[/u] is the most important to me.


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12/07/2020 10:30 pm

PS. Meant to ask Angel, particularly noting your comment "I don't anyone who plays guitar or likes my genre's of music", [u]which sub-genre of Rock or other genres of music do you prefer and would like to play on guitar, or is there a specific era of Rock or band to which you relate? [/u]

I have a fairly broad scope from Chuck Berry to Marvin Gaye and Sade, but probably unsurprisingly love classic rock from my own youth ranging from The Kinks to Free, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, some Black Sababth, Eagles, ELO, Chicago and later The Pretenders, but am undeniably and unashamedly a Beatlemaniac to the core. [br][br]But any good tune with a magnetic riff will grab me though, even some punk. i.e. Absolutely love The Undertones "Teenage Kicks". Going through a fun moment playing it to death now. Just an energising, fun tune to play on guitar. Better yet, a good singing voice is not necessary! Just bring your best 'pogo' to the game!

PPS. Here's a lassie (26YOA) and her channel you might relate to and enjoy watching which might also serve to illuminate her guitar journey from go (4 years ago). Metal is her inner love and motivation, hence the Ibanez high radius flat fingerboard shredders.


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12/08/2020 10:32 am

Hi Angel,

My name is Charlie from U.S. I have big man hands. The more you play the harder your finger tips will get. No reason to go put guitar strings on a cello. It doesn't seem physically possible but I was in the same boat. I am just returning to guitar afte 6 years of disability. I have been playing so much lately that my fingertips are like solid plastic. [br][br]

I don't want to push chemicals on someone and be responsible if they get sick, but when my fingers aren't hard enough I coat them with super glue or clear nail polish and let it dry. It's like instant callouses. 🤔


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12/15/2020 7:54 am

Kieth Richards once advised me to start out on an acoustic and master that, then move up to an electric and learn all trickery that comes with the pedals and effects. The Yamaha fg800 is what you want. Under $200 US dollars, but an incredible guitar. Especially if you are a singer song writer. By the way, Keef was speaking to me on a youtube video, but still lessoned learned. Good luck on your journey!

Blakeney


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