Fred Durst Wants To Steal Your Stuff!!!


Slow Diver
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I don't know if this has appeared on guitartricks(it is possible that it originates from here and if so, sorry, i didn't find it through the search thing), but even if it has, it deserves to be posted more than once so that nobody gets cheated by Freddy. I just found this testimonial on one Bulgarian site I don't know who is the author and what is the original source, but it is quite a story. It is quite long but it is worth reading it.

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** Warning. This will be explicit and long. **
Some of you may have heard about the Limp Bizkit guitarist search. Basically, the band has been "touring" the country visiting Guitar Center stores, holding auditions for a new guitarist to replace the one who left the band.

The deal is this. From 7:00 to 11:00 AM you can sign up for a slot to try out that day. The tryouts are from 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM. During this time, they take you into a room to play your stuff. At the end of that time, you leave. They call three to ten people at 5:30 to come back to the place and play in front of Limp Bizkit. Out of those people, one is selected to return at 9:00 to jam with the band, and anyone who participated is invited to watch -- a free concert, basically.

So I arrive there, with a copy of our band's full CD in hand. I'm with a friend who wants to try out, so I go ahead and sign up too. We get there at 5:00 AM and we're 83rd and 84th in line. Not incredibly bad. Free Krispy Kreme donuts and coffee, so all isn't too bad.

10:00 rolls around. The line is moving slow, but that's to be expected. We finally get up around the corner of the building to the front of the line at about noon. Current total time there: 7 hours.

Get to the table, and I notice there's a waiver you have to sign. No problem, standard stuff. Then I notice it's a three page contract. This contract basically said that if you play, you must sign the contract. Okay. No big deal here either. So I keep reading it. An interesting note. Anything you play can NOT be copyright, and can be used by Limp Bizkit in audio, video, or recorded form of any sort. Other big words which basically translated to the fact that if you play something, they are fully authorized to steal it and use it on a CD. The artist agrees to zero compensation and zero rights over the track, and will get their name in the liner notes "if possible."

This didn't sit well, as me and the guy I was with were planning on playing something we wrote with Starfront. So we sign it and decide to make something up. An annoyance at the very least, but we'd waited seven hours to get this far.

Then we got to stand in the parking lot for another two hours. We finally get inside at about 2:30, where it's another 30 minute wait for your turn. Current total time there: 10 hours.

So then we get the "rules". They are outlined for us straight out. No guitar solos. No playing cover songs. No playing copyrighted material. No playing Limp Bizkit songs. This effectively means that you're forced to play something that you made up, but don't have a copyright for. You may see where this is going.

Entering the room, there's one guy. He's got a mute button under his foot. His job is to make sure you follow the rules. If you break any, you get muted and kicked out immediately. So I go in, and there's one amp for me to plug into, and the settings are turned to "mud". It sounded awful, and was not pleasing to the ears. And it was loud enough that the awfulness didn't go away for some time. Then comes another fun part.

"You have 60 seconds to play. Starting now."

One @#%$ minute?! I mean, @#%$... okay. So since the thing I'd been planning was two minutes and thirty seconds, I cut most of the parts out. Kept it under time (about 57 seconds), but it still sounded worse than a handful of ass due to that beautiful amplifier (hmm). And I leave the room and the line proceeds. We're told that the winners will be announced at 5:30. And that we are to remain in the front parking lot until that time. No leaving. Period. This makes for unhappy people. We're talking 200+ people here, plus any wives / girlfriends / husbands / boyfriends / family / friends which accompanied them. But what can you do? We stay until 5:30. Total current time there: 12 hours, 30 minutes.

5:30 rolls around. People are getting ansi. The band management promised "free pizza". It came, and there were two boxes of pizza. Two large pizzas. For about two hundred people at least. No cool points here either. Anyway, the clock keeps ticking, and it's 6:00 before we notice anything going on. Guitar Center management flags all their people and security to come inside to discuss something. They go in there, and the guy in charge walks out with a megaphone. After getting everyone's attention, the guy on the megaphone speaks:

"This competition has been called off effective immediately and will not be rescheduled. The band will not be performing with nor for anyone. They will not be signing autographs. This is beyond our control, but please exit the area immediately."

The guy then proceeds to enter back inside the huge glass doors, and two armed officers stand behind the door. They lock the building as the massive amount of people head directly towards them. After reaching the building, people start going ape****. Cops are called in basically a way to clear the crowd. After about an hour, most have gone home or been "taken" home by the police. The radio station is completely screwed, having brought their entire broadcast booths out to cover it. Everyone is very, very pissed. Me and the other guy stayed awhile to figure out what was going on. It's now about 7:30 PM.

FM99 is having a field day with it. They're referring to this as "@#%$ Fred Durst Friday", taking calls in from people who went. But unless you've read this carefully, I don't think you understand what happened.

Limp Bizkit now has over 200 guitar parts, written by various artists around here, which are unowned and not copyrighted. Limp Bizkit now owns these riffs. Limp Bizkit just stole 200 pieces of material right out from under these guitarists' noses, myself included. If I'd played something off our CD, I would be ABSOLUTELY pissed. I *am* absolutely pissed. They have completely ripped off hundreds of people, and they're getting away with it because they can. They're on their way to Georgia, and the radio station here has given out request line numbers for the stations down there for us to call and let them know what's happening over the course of this event, to warn them. But people aren't going to buy it. They're going to go and get their @#%$ stolen too.

Someone needs to beat the living hell out of him. He's an @#%$, and someone who doesn't deserve to be breathing the same air as a @#%$ cockroach.

To add insult to injury, Guitar Center ran a contest where the winner would get to watch the band play even if they didn't play guitar. One person and a friend. That person also won an autographed Gibson Les Paul Studio ($1500+ guitar) by the band. She showed up after a near 200 mile drive to the area. Guitar Center told her that the band refused to acknowledge the contest at this point, and so not only did she drive three and a half hours for no performance (which she took her ten year old kid to see as his first concert), but apparently the guitar wasn't given either. All because the band wanted to be one giant collective @#%$.

If any of you know anyone who's considering going to these tryouts, show them this message. If they have any questions they can contact me directly. I'm doing everything I possibly can to make sure this does NOT happen to anyone else. It's not my stuff I'm concerned about -- our CD is copyrighted completely and legally -- but I'm guessing 90% of the local bands who passed Durst a copy of their CD are going to be @#%$. Many bands, especially newer local ones, don't have the money or know-how to copyright their stuff, and by giving it to them tonight, they just basically tossed them a new Limp Bizkit CD if Fred wants to do that. I wouldn't be surprised if he copyrights their @#%$ tomorrow.

It hurts to look around and see hundreds of people get excited at the chance to be able to make something of their guitar work; to have a shot at being in a popular band, making a living doing what they dream of. Fred Durst and Limp Bizkit are taking that dream and @#%$ it over. And anyone who wasn't there who just caught the coverage at noon and 5:00 on the news just think everything is perfect. Happy Fred Durst in front of the cameras behind the place, fenced off, saying how good the turnout is and how happy everyone seems, and talking about all the great @#%$ he's hearing. That man is the true meaning of a music label representative. He's the perfect salesman and nice guy in front of the media, and turns around and screws everyone involved in the ass without having to take any hit in his overall popularity, and possibly gaining a @#%$ ton of new music in the process that he's ripped from people.

Not many things piss me off, but I'm pissed off. I'm not the only one. All sorts of "this band is playing tonight at this place, and they'd like me to announce to Fred Durst that if you're still in the area and you come to this venue, you will be able to see what a REAL band is like -- right before the real band beats your skull in." This radio station is sick of the @#%$ from this band, and so are its listeners. If this keeps happening, I wouldn't be surprised if some @#%$ goes down somewhere really damn soon. If it does, I'll let you know.
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metalisbest
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Man, that is crazy that anyone could do such a thing, but of course it would be Fred Durst. Man you need to spread the word on this story to everyone. Let the people know!
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Slow Diver
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But I guess that this info is pretty dated.
Anyway, it is good to know how some people are making their living.
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trendkillah
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I didn't feel like reading that whole thing, cause I already read a long ass post about the competition once.

Is this about Limp Bizkit owning the rights of whatever got played during the competition?

All I can say to that is: no guns were put to people's head when signing the contract.
By signing a contract like that, you don't get ****ed, you bend over. Big difference.
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metalisbest
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Yea, I know, but that is still messed up that they would do something like that.
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Yeah, they bent over and held out a huge O- ring and got royally screwed in response. I wouldn't play for a jerk like Fred Durst no matter the situation, but a lot of these people, I'm sure, were fans, and the biggest factis that Fred Durst would sooner rip off riffs that other people made and hire a guy who went to Berklee for 4 years learning to play other peoples' stuff than hire a real guitarist.

But hey, I didn't like Limp Bizkit from the beginning, and again, I wouldn't waste my talent on him in the first place, so I wasn't the one bending over. Let's hear it for capitalistic corprock....
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I'm surprised that nobody made any noise abot that when it was actual. I mean people rant arount for much lesser things than such an obvious crime. Yeah, sure they read the contract, but imagine some of those kids who went there and put alot of work into the stuff they were going to show and believed that their hero Fred Durst would never do such a thing as stealing their riffs.
When I read that thing I felt so pissed about that and I actually forgot to notice that this material is way dated.
Again I'm surprised that nobody said a sh!t about that. SUCH A WHORE AS THE ****IN FRED DURST DOES NOT DESERVE TO LIVE. To exploit the fans' trust in such a way is something that I can't find words for. I am sure that he secured the material for Bizkit's next album.
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trendkillah
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I'm sorry to say this, but anyone who thought this competition was more than a publicity stunt is a bit naieve.
And the contestant's riffs and music did not get stolen, they gave it away. Obviously, a LOT of kids thought that was worth it.

Besides, who ever said they are going to use that stuff in their own music? You ever thought about the fact that this might be a preventory thing in order to avoid legal action against them in case they decide to bring out a DVD on the competition?


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I had already talked of this about a month or two ago with a brush off as someone made a very sarcastic comment to me (Won't name names)and said "Sounds like a personal problem to me"
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Slow Diver
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Originally posted by trendkillah

Besides, who ever said they are going to use that stuff in their own music? You ever thought about the fact that this might be a preventory thing in order to avoid legal action against them in case they decide to bring out a DVD on the competition?



nobody said that and nobody will say it when the new Limp Bizkit chart breaker sells millions of copies. Cause nobady has any proof.

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trendkillah
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Originally posted by Slow Diver
nobody said that and nobody will say it when the new Limp Bizkit chart breaker sells millions of copies. Cause nobady has any proof.


I was just saying that there is more than one possible reason why they made the contestants sign that contract.

But then again, it's very easy to just make a judgement because you don't like that band. Eventhough Fred is a prick, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.


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Originally posted by Slow Diver
I am sure that he secured the material for Bizkit's next album.


Which I will now never buy. Its upsetting to know that a band I liked and thought had some talent would **** their fans for everything they had. Its one thing to sign a contract and bend over, but they exploited the kids who wouldnt think to read the contract (and if they did possibly not understand it); and they exploited those naive enough to think that their heros in the music industry aren't capable of being manipulative and deceitful.
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I don't know why anyone would try out for Limp Bizkit anyway. I'm sure anyone on this site could make better music if they crapped into a hat.


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I'm sure the whole intention of the Limp Bizket open auditions was not to try and rip people off of there songs, it was probably just to protect themselves legally so that when they put there next cd out they don't have a bunch of people trying to sue them cuase they think they stole there riff. From what I understand the bands not even there during the auditions anyway. Although I'm not a fan I think it was a very noble idea to bring there search to the streets, although I've never heard anything come from it.
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Looks like a lesson for anyone with ideas about making a career from their music.
Why you want to look up to other artists like your self to sell your music?Make your own moves.Talk to people your self.Don't look up to fred durst or whoever else to kick start your career.You gonna have to do it yourself.
And btw,maybe if I felt I was good enough,I'd go to such an audition.But if they required I play original pieces who's copyright I lose,and pieces which they can use,I'd tell them to phuck it.Don't need that.
Plus,I wouldn't really want to become a member of limp bizkit anyway.Or any other band for that matter.I'll get my own band,we'll do our thing.
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Wasn't this all over audiogalaxy earlier this year????
N-E-WAYZ .... i still hated that cheap peice of trash b4 the incident.
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Well I think that the standart way to protect themselves was to put a disclaimer that the band has nothing to do with eventual plagarism and that the person who plays copyrighted material will be responsible for his actions. They have recorded the audition and if anybody tries to play something plagarised Bizkit will have their hands clean cause they have evidence.
That's how I see it. This contract does not leave you any chance to claim the copyrights of your work and this makes me think that the purpose of this tour id other than finding a guitar player.

Anyway, this as I see is an old story and probably till now fred durst has recorded the new Limp Bizkit hit with the riff of, let's say, your neighbour.
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trendkillah
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If the next Limp Bizkit is good, yet full of stolen material, I wouldn't think twice about buying it. lol

I can't believe how some people totally believe one person's story and theories.

Maybe I'm naieve, but I don't think a famous band like that can be THAT stupid, to go and steal music in such a way.
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well, if it is stolen material. the album will be a whole lot better.
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trendkillah
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Originally posted by zepp_rules
well, if it is stolen material. the album will be a whole lot better.


That's it, I'm out of this thread. lol

Sometimes I feel like this board is full of 12-year olds. ;)
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