i got it guys, i tried a trayner today. I forget the model number but it had 80 watts of power and great versatility...but not so preprogrammed like the line six. The price is $800 canadian so about $600 - $500 american. The best part is that is all tubes baby! This was one mean amp! POWER was unbelieveable, the tone was nice and warm. Best amp ive heard in the price range.

the list would be like this:
1)trayner 80 watt (all tube transistors baby!)
2)marshall (half tube, half non-tube)
3)line 6 spider (lots of effects and presets)
4) fender (great versitility but didnt like the tone)

I havent heard anything about trayner, so im wondering if they are a canadain company :). Does anyone have any feedback?