Originally posted by THE_HACK_PACK
HE certainly is a rascal ain't he.

I’m not a rascal.
If I'm Skippy, what does that make you? Arthritis cream?
Thing is, there’s plenty of boards out there where you can go and trash people till kingdom come. They’re probably dedicated to it, where guys go and try to out do each other and stuff. Mean while, this is a guitar forum. A mature one, I might add. Don’t snide me on account of my age. Considering I was born when Jimmy Carter was president (he was in’79, right?) a guy who, say, attended a Beatles concert is old, relative to me. That doesn’t mean you go ahead and give me stupid names, as if being young means you can’t think.Or as if being old means you can. I’ve heard four years olds talk stuff that makes a lot of sense.
Back to the thread.
I don’t want to question what Lord says in response to Pony’s saying that Nirvana are his Beatles. I don’t a have a basis on which to do that. But I wish to put this forward:
Industries change. The industry that The Beatles lorded over is very different from the one that exists today. Andrew Carnegie (or was it Mellon) was a very big guy in the finance industry in America at the beginning of the 20th century, but the field he was king of was very different from the one Greenspan superintends today. Wilt Chamberlain is a b-ball legend that holds the NBA’s record for the highest score in a single game (100 points or something like that. A hundred, to skippys like me, sounds absurd. I mean, was it 60 minutes of free throws or what?) And this guy was a phenom in his day. But the game has changed, so much so that it has been argued that had he been playing today, with the way teams can develop an entire game plan around locking out a single guy, Wilt probably wouldn’t be getting stats like that. Which brings me to a question I would like to ask you, not to suggest you’re wrong, but so I know; you lived that age and you still living. If the Beatles were breaking out just about now, do you think they’d do as they did back then? I mean, the timing counts, right? Like for instance, the Model T vehicle launched by Henry Ford in 1908 is said to be the most popular make of all time , in terms of sales volume. Have better cars been made since then. You bet. So why didn’t they then do as well as the T? The game had changed.
Good journalists and historians tell their stories in such a way that if you didn’t live in that era, you get to know exactly what living in that era meant, such that, for instance, when the magazine [u] Fortune [/u] votes for Henry Ford as the business man of the century,you see exactly why(he was nominated along with Bill Gates,Watson,the guy who made IBM as we know it,who was also during the Carter adminstration the US ambassador in Russia,and Alfred Sloan,the guy who made GM what it is,and who also nearly brought Ford the company to it’s knees while still being ran by Ford).
Hack Pack alleges that Cobain stole some riff from Beatles. Led Zepp doesn’t recognize it.Maybe that’s coz he’s never heard the song.Or maybe coz there really was no rip off.So he asks.The Hack says “it’s not exact”,but he’s “leaning” towards Because,because Cobain used a bunch of minor and dominant sevenths that he wasn’t using previously.Now,all you open minded people out there tell me;does that alone qualify it as a rip off?Just coz I’ve used something I haven’t used previously,and it happens to have been used by someone else,and the someone happens to be the beatles,that means I copied them?They didn’t invent these sevenths,did they?I bet they’re not the only ones who’ve used sevenths.This kind of thinking is what makes me think there really was more to beatle mania than just music.And speaking of openmindedness,I find that NEVER EVER betrays one hell of a closed mind.The only way you can know for sure would be asking the guy who wrote the song,and hope he’ll be honest enough to admit he copy,assuming he did.I’ve had the opportunity to hear from an experienced writer that it’s possible to independently write stuff that sounds similar.There’s only so many notes and chords.And a book I have,published in ’91,estimates there are about 50 million guitarists around the world.Aand if you ask me,rip offs are easy to hear.I hear a lot of songs on "oldies" programs on radio which you just can clearly hear was copied by a present day artist.Like JD,the rapper,uses Peter Gabriels stuff in the song "I gotta to have it".The example are too numerous to write here.But they all have one thing in common;it's not ambiguous,you can hear it.
All said,I've noticed this thread has 507 views.I wonder how that figure is split,between the people wondering what this(it must be a kid,right?)kid is saying,and those who,like me,really ask the same(or similar question).
I'm sure there are people here from whom I could learn truckloads of stuff.But there's more to it than just what you know.Analogy:Angelina Jolly.She has this lips that make me wonder......But,if she has bad breath,it won't do.Bad attitude is like bad breath,cute notwithstanding.

[Edited by kingdavid on 06-06-2002 at 09:19 AM]