Iam not frustrated with gt at all,u guys rock, im frustrated on my learning ability.i just caint get the modes down, are they a extension of a scale, or a scale of its own,or both.thanks for your help everyone.big thanks too chris s. Ok i get it know,it makes alot of sence now , so they all in the key of A DORIAN, choose the pattern that will work best for what your playing. Thats alot of patterns too learn,better get started .i think what the real problem here is im walking before crawling.need to get back to basics.ty