Lets just drop it guys.


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03/18/2002 11:34 pm
I think this text is gonna be pretty long.
Just so that you know.
I have noticed that the hottest discussion here is the speed vs feeling.
I read some of the posts and didnt really care.
I've seen this discussion many times before.
And never has there been a conclusion.
But this time Im going to try to come to one myself.
Everyone was arguing back and forth who was the best,
the "feeling"-guys ex. BB King Or the ShredMaster
Yngwie Malmsteen. Bardsley posted that speed is always more important, that if its good phrased and well-written, there is feeling in it automatically.


Originally posted by Bardsley
Speed is always more important than any kind of feeling. I mean, what were you expecting to hear? People waste their time trying to put some phantom idea of "feeling" into their playing. Feeling really has to do with two things: the notes played; and the phrasing. If you play music that has been written well, you've already got part of the magical "feeling". Do not fall into the trap of assuming that to play with feeling means to bend the bloody g stringand play with sloppy sentimental sounds.





And in some aspects I think he's right.
Now Im a speed addict, and I dont mind it, BUT
I think the "feeling"-guys are half-right too.
Now I dont think that many people will argue with me that the masters of classical music; Chopin, Bach, Vivaldi, HƤndel and all them failed to capture passion, romance, pain etc. in their music. And they were certainly not
"bending the bloody G-string".
But lets bring BB King back as an example.
To some degree you could say that that kind of music is "bending the bloody G-string".
Its at least very far away from the classical music.
I dont like that kind of music, but I understand those who does. You cant just look away and say that it sucks.
I think its good. Well written, but in a different way.
So: very good, but its nothing I would put in my CD-player.
Sometimes its just too much of the "bending the bloody G-string". (sorry for quoting you all the time, but I just cant help myself :) . )
But on the other hand it can be too strict and well-written in both classical and modern shred-style music.

So here is my conclusion:

All the Mini-Yngwies and mini-BB Kings out there can stop fighting, because its really like comparing black & white,
cats & dogs or coke & sprite:
It wont get you anywhere.
Feeling is not confined to one music-style.
Speed isnt only for death-metal-satanists-killers.
I say that feeling is in the eye of the beholder.
(or ear of the listener or whatever....)
I might feel strongly for a girl, but my friend doesnt understand why.
We all feel different. Thats why the discussion isnt going anywhere. You cant just tell someone to like something or feel something.
I think feeling is in (almost) all music.
Then some people appreciate it, and some dont.
I dont understand why my friends like bands like Linkin Park, and they dont understand why I like Randy Rhoads.

Now you might think that Im a coward for not having picking sides in this war. Well, its not needed.
For me, one of the great things about music is you dont have to pick sides if you dont want to.
So drop the discussion already!

Well, thats it.
If you have fought through the whole text I can only congratulate you.
Rock on!


Oh by the way, for those of you who have judged Yngwie without really listening to his work (Like myself until 2 years ago) I can recommend the song "Flamenco Diablo"
nice.
nice indeed.

/Marcus
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03/19/2002 12:01 am
well said. i agree, no use in ****in around arguing with people half way across the earth
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03/19/2002 2:57 am
May I just point out that the first sentence of that quote of mine was a sarcastic reply, because it's obviously not what the person was expecting to hear, and obviously not somehting that most people would agree with. I was attempting to suggest that the question was a bit meaningless in a way.
"Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year, it's just not that widely reported".
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03/19/2002 8:36 am
ye I know.
I thought what you wrote was good.
thats why I couldnt stop quoting you :).

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03/19/2002 10:18 am
Oohhm this is where I get a big head. Anyone else who feels like saying something like that feel free. My ego gets hungry sometimes...
"Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year, it's just not that widely reported".
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03/19/2002 7:16 pm
I do agree about droping it.
Also we don't want Bardsley getting a big head.
MC9MM would i be wrong in saying that sometimes (Yngwie)
dos use vibrato plus a 1/2 bend in a few of his notes
when playing guitar?


Mark
PS:I thought all Rock&Metal guitarists used fast vibrato
bends in thier styles.
yours truly Mark Toman
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03/19/2002 8:01 pm
ye youre right.
but people often use him as a strict little
scale-boy-stereotype thing and I dont know why.
(wait a minute.. yes I do. hmm.)
So I picked him.
But you cant deny that its very much
directly of the sheet.

you know I cant really translate my swedish expressions to english that good. thats why I sound like a drunk fisherman. if you want to know.
oh you dont?
ok I'll go then.
yeea.
rrright.
I will just leave.
ye ok.

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03/19/2002 8:32 pm
MC9MM
Ok one more and i'm out of here!
Sooo if the Bend&Vibrato came from the blues=BB-king
and other old Bloody G string benders.
Why would a Rock or Metal Guitarist want to say anything
about a Blues guitarist because they stole the Bloody
Bend and the fast vibrato thing from the blues guys!
Mark
P:S I do like Rock&Metal and Blues and Jazz Country.ect
Really all styles of music in a way.

[Edited by skee1 on 03-19-2002 at 02:45 PM]
yours truly Mark Toman
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03/19/2002 8:50 pm
OK I just want to point out that
what I wrote was purely objective.
Yes, rock stole vibrato and other stuff.
I was just saying some didnt like blues.
I dont think anyone has said anything about the jazz-guys.

ah hell thats history anyway.
I mean it wasnt us swedes that came up with
meatballs, but we take the credit for it.

I didnt invent coffee, but I take the credit for it.

My grandfather didnt invent the wheel, but he
takes the credit for it.

Now I didnt really understand your question, so Im
just babbling.
Have I answered it yet?


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03/19/2002 9:30 pm
Yes! LOL

I rest my case.
Mark

Just trying to make the guitar-tricks Lifer Bunch.
yours truly Mark Toman
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