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Guitar solos making a comeback??

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02/17/2002 11:57 pm
Originally posted by Elmo45
Let's just give props to the guys that are still putting out REAL Guitar based albums and leave the radio trash to decay on the ears of the less informed.


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02/18/2002 5:19 am
God I hope we don't go back to the "look at me, I can play guitar so fast" 80's days.

All those long-shanked bumbleheads forgot that music is about composition and feeling, rather than how many notes you can cram into a measure. That's why none of them are around any more . . .



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02/18/2002 7:21 am
i'm likin the no listening to radio these days. i listen to some like 60's-80's stations, but even they put on some newer stuff that isn't that great, and even some older stuff that isn't that great. best way to go is just listen to mp3's i think. party on all


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02/18/2002 11:41 pm
Originally posted by Christoph
God I hope we don't go back to the "look at me, I can play guitar so fast" 80's days.

All those long-shanked bumbleheads forgot that music is about composition and feeling, rather than how many notes you can cram into a measure. That's why none of them are around any more . . .


Well, I think there's a place for that kind of playing...

But one needs the taste to know when and where it is.
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02/19/2002 12:20 am
there is a time and place for speed, your right.. but it should be tantalising, short, and sweet.... having said that i have used tapping for rythem, which actually sounded really cool, but the timing was a pain in the back side... but it shouldn't be predictable or cheeeeeeeeeeesy....
Personally I like hearing a song with a decent solo that FITS, like the solo on "i wanna be sedated" wich is one note... which works well, and the solo on "all along the watch tower" (the one that goes slide -wah - panning) which is very cool that FITS with the rest of the song... too many times i hear a song with a solo wich feels out of place (like "undone the sweater song" by weezer)...
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02/19/2002 5:53 am
very true Rask, another prime example i think can be found in Steve Vai's Blue Powder, in the beginning, he moves in slowly, then he does this sweep that i love to do so much, and it is very fast, but sounds very good and it doesn't sound like out of nowhere like some of the other '80's guys.

what do you guys think of that? agree?
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02/19/2002 5:54 am
Originally posted by Raskolnikov
But one needs the taste to know when and where it is.


True . . . and the 80's rockers definitely did not.

I like fast stuff sometimes (like Satch, Vai, John P), but I just can't stand listening to any of that 80's crap anymore. It just sounds so ridiculous.


By the way, Eddie, I know what you mean about Lost Prophets. They've got some good grooves, but their singer is terrible.
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02/19/2002 1:29 pm
YEAAAAAAHHHH, some one who agrees... the riff on "shinobi vs dragon ninja" (i think it's on bass, but bands de-tuning so much these days i find it difficult to tell) is fantastic, the singing is almost like that off a boy band.. I dont know, they may still be trying to find them selves, but for me, they really need to get rid of the note perfect cheesy harmonies... Yeah, that's probably the best song on the album, and it took em 20 minutes to write.. which i think is a good example sometimes you ccan over think stuff, and you process it too much..
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02/20/2002 12:45 pm
I like guitar cheese too; it's just a matter of knowing when it fits (as Ed said). Binge and Grab (Instrumental Version) by Buckethead is a great example.
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02/20/2002 8:44 pm
I think what's going on is that most musicians are once again beginning to realize that playing a guitar solo isn't all being egotistical, it's about representing a certain part of your personality that no one else can emulate. Yes, the guitar solo is gradually making a comeback, on radio, and in videoland. It's great!

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02/20/2002 9:59 pm
Originally posted by Joseph
...playing a guitar solo isn't all being egotistical...
-Joseph


i think that the fact of the matter is they don't have the technique to solo, then comes the 'i don't wanna show off bit.' i think they probibly use that as an excuse to never build any technique. (not that technique is everything...)

[Edited by fuhrysteve on 02-20-2002 at 04:02 PM]
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02/21/2002 12:28 am
Originally posted by fuhrysteve
Originally posted by Joseph
...playing a guitar solo isn't all being egotistical...
-Joseph


i think that the fact of the matter is they don't have the technique to solo, then comes the 'i don't wanna show off bit.' i think they probibly use that as an excuse to never build any technique. (not that technique is everything...)


For some people yes, for others no. I know people who almost never play solos and will flat out tell you that they don't like to play them who will still knock your socks off when they actually do decide to play one.
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02/21/2002 3:26 am
However, I think as musicians we're slowly beginning to realize once again that longevity is more important than instant success. Just like a marriage, you have to constantly work on it to be successfiul, and as musicians, we have to trust our instincts. If a song calls for a guitar solo, then by all means we should let loose. We shouldn't live and die by what's considered appropriate on radio. I want to hear and feel more raw emotion on the airwaves!!!

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02/21/2002 6:09 pm

Anyone heard the new Gravity Kills album? I have to say, I was really disappointed with it . . . at least the songs that I've heard on the radio. (whoops, the "R" word again)

Their old school stuff had a ton of great riffage, but the guitar seems to have taken a backseat in the new album. There's more techno and industrial effects, and you can barely hear the guitar even as a rhythm instrument in the background.


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02/26/2002 2:11 am
I don't know very many of the bands you mention here and I'm not far enough along to do soloing yet, but I understand what you mean about the solo fitting the song. Is there a way to learn it or do you have to just feel it?
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02/26/2002 5:08 am

There are a few "methods" that you can use to write solos, but it's mostly just a matter of feeling it.

Most bands like to follow the melody of the song a little bit and then expand on that theme with the solo. But the main point is that the solo should match the mood and feel of the song while adding to it. The solo usually serves as the climax for the song, so it should take it little bit from the melody and add some lines to keep it interesting.
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03/01/2002 2:17 am
I agree sorta. A lot of bands like N*Sync are starting to fade away. Thank God. But still, only a few bands have solos.

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03/04/2002 12:03 pm
Everywhere in the world is like that.....maybe they are too stupid to realise that it is not like a rave song......it is music my friend.....they do not have enough spirit in their mind...they do not have the feeling
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03/05/2002 2:00 am
hell no,there's not even a little sign that gutar solos are coming back bands,like nickleback,hubastank,puddle of mud,sum 41,there all into playing poppy rocks tunes,the 80's was the best decade for solo's you had the like's of joe perry,richie sambora,metallica and the man himself slash who could always be counted on to but in a rippin solo new age music sucks bring back the 80's
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03/05/2002 3:06 am
the 80's were awesome, don't get me wrong, but i think the sixties were the best for melodic guitar soloing, sounds best when the right notes are being played, not just anything on scale. i'm a 80's guy with a sixties ear, i like the 80's style, but with the sixties more melodic style. don't get me wrong, there is a lot of melodic 80's stuff, but in general, the sixties had the melodies. that's my 2 cents... whatda ya think?
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