Originally Posted by: hwarang76Hunter thanks for you reply but what was the point of it?? I obviously know I can go google search for it, but I signed up for this site for a reason, to get some help on things I don't understand!!! And in regards to the comment on my punctuation...really dude?? Where have you been? Multiples are in!!!

What was the point of my reply? Obviously you didn't read it since the point was pretty straight forward. I gave you links to a ton of information, a link to a site that helps you LEARN how to understand the circle of 5ths better (I might be confused, but isn't that what you're after?) and explained a little to clarify some things on your question.

Did you even look through the links I gave you?

There is no short cut or magic thing that we can tell you here. You have to do a little studying and reading about it on your own, which is why I pointed you in that direction. AFTER you read some info and try those links and you still don't understand something, you should come back and ask for clarification on things like I suggested.

but if you look at the circle it only has 12 positions and C/Am is zero..so what gives with that...again how do you use it. If you count clockwise when do you switch to flats??? Or for flats do you count the other way, ie counterclockwise. According to the post it says Cm has three flats, so does that mean for flats you are counting the other way.

I pretty much answered part of that. Go back and read my post about adding sharps and flats clockwise and counter clockwise.

So if you still don't understand what the point of my post was... I don't know what else to tell you. I put a ton of info about the circle of 5ths in front of you. I think you are just looking for someone to post something that just makes you all of a sudden "get it". Like I said, there's no short answer, so if you are willing to have someone take the time to write up a long response and explain the circle of 5ths to you, you should at least take the time to do some research on your own through the sites I suggested. I guarantee with just the 2 links I posted, you can pretty much have all your questions answered.