Originally Posted by: Tonja_ReneeI don't think he predestines anyone to go to hell either...

I do think he has a plan though and wants it to happen... but we have free will and have the power of choice. He is God and can make his plan happen with or without us... ultimately I think he wants us to be with him.. but of our own free will.

I kind of think of it as parenting... you have a child - want to teach them responsibility so you buy them a fish to look after.... they kill it from neglect.. Do you give up on them thinking they can't be responsible - no.. You learn that they are not ready and try again later.. I think God is parenting us and some get it quicker than others and other rebel - doesn't mean he ever gives up on us... Just patiently waits for us to get it.

So all this stuff you just 'think' to be true.
You don't have any actual proof.
Man, talk about irony if it's actually the Devil in charge of everything and you've doing it backwards all this time.