HELP !PLEASE ! Dumb pentatonic question

Please can someone help !

Say you are playing over a A,D,E progression using position 1 at fret 5 of the minor pentatonic over the A chord.

What do you do at the chord change to D and then E. Can you just move shape 1 up to the 10th and 12th frets accordingly ?

Or can you just carrying on using position 1 at the 5th fret.

Much appreciated if anyone can help, I can't seem to find much info on what to do when the chord changes.

What style of music are you playing Russell?

Originally Posted by: russell haywardPlease can someone help !

Say you are playing over a A,D,E progression using position 1 at fret 5 of the minor pentatonic over the A chord.

What do you do at the chord change to D and then E. Can you just move shape 1 up to the 10th and 12th frets accordingly ?

Or can you just carrying on using position 1 at the 5th fret.

Much appreciated if anyone can help, I can't seem to find much info on what to do when the chord changes.

Both !
You can play A minor pentatonic over A , D , E
And D minor pentatonic over D and E minor pentatonic over E

In the listening post on the index page, is ' Ain't it Just' .

I'm playing E minor pentatonic over E, A , and B

Originally Posted by: russell haywardSay you are playing over a A,D,E progression using position 1 at fret 5 of the minor pentatonic over the A chord.
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Much appreciated if anyone can help, I can't seem to find much info on what to do when the chord changes.

Try these tutorials:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=217
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=232
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=244

Also try this:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=296

Originally Posted by: drf46What style of music are you playing Russell?

Mainly Blues

Originally Posted by: CSchlegelTry these tutorials:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=217
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=232
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=244

Also try this:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=296

Thanks, useful stuff.

Basically I need to learn the notes in each chord and try and target them a bit more.

Originally Posted by: russell haywardThanks, useful stuff.

Basically I need to learn the notes in each chord and try and target them a bit more.

Hey Russ, with Blues being your style, you can incorporate the Mixolydian mode as well to add a little flare in your progression along with dominant 7th chords.
Example; A7-D7-E7, playing A Mixo over the A7 chord, D Mixo over D7 and E Mixo over E7 will spice things up.
Good luck.

Are you trying to totally confuse me. LOL

My original problem was really making postion 1 Am pent "fit" nicely over the D and E chords, I'm OK over A chord as I know where the root notes are.

Any tips ?

Originally Posted by: russell haywardAre you trying to totally confuse me. LOL

My original problem was really making postion 1 Am pent "fit" nicely over the D and E chords, I'm OK over A chord as I know where the root notes are.

Any tips ?

since you know where the root notes are in Am pentatonic, the D note is directly below the A note located at the same fret position.
Example; 6th string, 5th fret = A and 4th string, 7th fret = A
5th string, 5th fret = D and 3rd string, 7th fret = D...etc.....
The E is 2 semitones (a Whole step) higher than D, so 5th string, 7th fret = E and so on. Just remember to offset everything where needed by one fret when transitioning to the key notes on the 2nd string.
Being that your progression is using the Perfect Intervals from the Tonic, just emphasize on the note related to the chord changes from the Am pentatonic scale. When changing from A to D, land on the D note and play from there in the scale, and so on. That way, you'll remain in key with the Tonic.

Originally Posted by: russell haywardAre you trying to totally confuse me. LOL

My original problem was really making postion 1 Am pent "fit" nicely over the D and E chords, I'm OK over A chord as I know where the root notes are.

Any tips ?

The Am Pentatonic scale has the notes D and E in it. To make it 'nice' you might want to resolve phrases to the root notes as you go. It should all fit nicely, but will sound more resolved if you play a D at the end of a phrase over a D chord, and an E note to finish a phrase over an E chord...

**EDIT** seems I've been beaten to it... :o

Ah great, thats what I thought I should be doing.

Really then I need to learn all the root notes up and down the neck to really make some progress as well as all the pent shapes.

Blimey how do you remember all that ?

Originally Posted by: russell haywardBlimey how do you remember all that ?

It's all just practice.

The only shortcut to learning notes on the fretboard is to use the octaves to find notes on the higher strings. You still need to learn all the notes on the E (6th) and A (5th) strings, but then two frets up and two strings up is the same note:

Fret 5 E String = A
Fret 7 D string = A
Fret 10 B string = A (3 fret jump because of the change in tuning)

Fret 5 A String = D
Fret 7 G String = D
Fret 10 E sting = D (3 fret jump as before)

Yes thanks I knew about octaves, guess I have never put the effort in to memorise the fretboard in detail.

Wrote out the notes for postion 1+2 of the pent on a fretboard map and am now looking at it as I play. Actually seems to be working !

I've even worked out the major 3rds ? from A,D+E and have started to add those in a bit.

I guess sevenths will be next.

It really does help understanding what you are playing rather than just memorizing how to play it, it's given me a bit of impetus to get on and learn some more.

Also, if you haven't seen it already, check out fretboard warrior - some of the guys I've taught found it useful...

Originally Posted by: renAlso, if you haven't seen it already, check out fretboard warrior - some of the guys I've taught found it useful...

I agree. Great game to practice with.

Originally Posted by: russell haywardYes thanks I knew about octaves, guess I have never put the effort in to memorise the fretboard in detail.

Wrote out the notes for postion 1+2 of the pent on a fretboard map and am now looking at it as I play. Actually seems to be working !

I've even worked out the major 3rds ? from A,D+E and have started to add those in a bit.

I guess sevenths will be next.

It really does help understanding what you are playing rather than just memorizing how to play it, it's given me a bit of impetus to get on and learn some more.

Understanding what you're playing is a language, the better you speak, the better you express yourself. When I was in Mexico I had to understand the meaning of certain words, ie; Cervaza, Carne Asada, etc. With that tackled, I knew that I wouldn't starve to death, but I couldn't express myself (which is a given for most of us after drinking Cervaza all day long). At best I expressed a mumbled form of Spanglish followed with constant smiling and nodding my head for no reason. I did however ace the phrase "Uno mas Cervaza, Por Favor".... TO THE POINT THAT i COULD EVEN ADD AN ACCENT AS IT ROLLED OF MY TONGUE!!!!!!!
The point is, to express yourself through playing with great results, you must speak the language (now you know why many guitarists constantly move their heads all around and make quirky gestures with their mouths because smiling the whole time just would not be cool)... It's imperative to understand the Major tonal function in music, in order to properly relate with it's minor creation. For Every Major tone there is a minor and vice versa. When you look at the make up (or formula) required to create a Major chord (the 1st, 3rd and 5th intervals in the Major scale), an interesting relationship occurs by the seqence and distance between notes.
Example; The notes in a C Major chord are;
C (1st=R1) E (3rd=M3) G (5th=P5). Result = Root-Major 3rd-Perfect 5th
When viewed in sequence we get;
(C - E) = Major 3rd + (E - G) = minor 3rd (G is the minor 3rd of E). Result = playing a Em chord in a C Major progression functions well. The E Major chord won't.
The Major and minor 3rd relationship work in either direction from the Tonic, only opposite in function.

Originally Posted by: russell haywardPlease can someone help !

Say you are playing over a A,D,E progression using position 1 at fret 5 of the minor pentatonic over the A chord.

What do you do at the chord change to D and then E. Can you just move shape 1 up to the 10th and 12th frets accordingly ?

Or can you just carrying on using position 1 at the 5th fret.

Much appreciated if anyone can help, I can't seem to find much info on what to do when the chord changes.

As you originally said - if you move the same shape to the tenth, it'l be D minor pentatonic and if you move the same shape up to the 12th, it'll be E minor pentatonic

Originally Posted by: russell haywardThanks, useful stuff.[/quote]
Welcome. :)
[QUOTE=russell hayward]Basically I need to learn the notes in each chord and try and target them a bit more.

Absolutely. And this is the perfect advice or reminder for any and all musicians playing any and all styles of music.