Yeah, ed, much as I agree with a lot of things you have said, I think you may be missing the point by floffing the dead horse of what costs more. I mean, you can pay heaps for a bottle of water in a conveniance store because it has pretty blue plastic, or you can pay nothing for it if you have a rain-water tank, it doesn't really matter anyway. When people start saying things like "I love it when I am sooo ritght, they mgiht be getting a little immature. However, Christoph, don't you think you are being a little callous? If you pick an ordinary person on the street in the middle east, they are just the same as you, possibly with slightly different religous beliefs (though also likely to be remarkably similar), just going about their lives. Do we need to punish them for the government? I thought that was what mr Bin liner did.