probably a weird post, but since we're talking about a genre most of us could care less about, i suggest that you all check out a group like Nonphixion. it never fronts as just another bravado-filled pastry that we can find on our local top 20. its just hiphop, but it says "rock and roll" to me. something about the fact that they had an obsession with black sabbath and slayer, i dunno. check their myspace out. theyve since broken up years ago, but i think im gonna try and pick up their album again (mine got stolen from my car about 3 months ago:(.