Modes? all the rage?

hi this is clayton and i have a question that really anyone who can answer, should answer. i tried to delve into modes and scales and find patterns and differences. but after a month i think ive figured them out. not the question. but i was wondering if anyone could give any examples how modes make a song or solo sound unique?

anyone please!

modes are like the smae scale but they have a different emphasis.

the easiest way to think of this is in terms of chords u are playin over

ok we are gonna stay in the key of c ionion but change mode

so c ionion has the notes c d e f g a b

the other modes have the notes d dorian ; d e f g a b c
e Phrygian; e f g a b c d
f Lydian ; f g a b c d e
(cant remember other names) g mixolidian ;g a b c d e f
a b c d e f g
b c d e f g a


ok now u might say they have all got the smae notres and u are correct, but the notes should be used differently. normally u try to play the root 3rd and 5th and somethimes the seventh a lot of mode u are playin in, but esp[ecially the root.
eg these notes in c ionion are ,root is c, 3rd is e, 5th is g and seventh b.
and in f lydian are f a c d and e.
now the reaons why these notes are these are chord tones. the notes in the chord that u are emphasisin by playin in that mode.

so lets say u play over the progression c majour, f majour, g majour.
now modally u would want to play c ionion then f lydian then g mixolidian. because u are emphasisin the chords u are playin over the lead will seem more connected to the rythm. by addin a few notes that arent root thirds fiths and sevenths (to an extent), u can extend the chord, u add something to the sound take it somewhere else. so u could play a few 6ths or 4ths for example in c ionion these would be a and f.

by playing enough chord tones (roots thirds etc) u create conection, and the other notes add colour. if there arent enough chord tones the lead is less connected to the rythm and therefore doesnt sound as if it fits much. if there are no non chord tones and extensions it will be a bit boarin.

if u werent playin modally over that progressions u would just play c ionion over the whole thing. it would still sound alright but less connected.

sadly it no use just learnin new scale shapes and playin over them u have to be aware which notes in the scale relate to the chords u are playin over.

this is a simplistic explanation but it gives u the gist. if u found this helpful please give me rep points click the little scale thingy on the top of the my message on the top right.

Originally Posted by: Fret spider
a b c d e f g
b c d e f g a

I believe those would be Aeolian and Locrian, respectively.

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Originally Posted by: jimmy_kwtxIt's all GREEK to me....... :D :eek: :p

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Insane luaghter as I run down the hall spreading peanut butter all over..... Never mind.

End of day and I am feeling a touch "loopy"(payday and the Dallas Game is tonight!!!!)

lol, funny.

just try and listen to the chords ur playin over and play the notes in the chords.

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Scales relate to chords in the way that chords are created from scales.

So when a scale can be broken out into many scales...the scales can EACH relate to many chord...all the chords built within the scale.

You can learn patterns for the rest of your life, and you can still ask "how do I use these" 20 years from now.

If you want to learn a life long lesson in modes...learn the chords that belong with them.

The scale/mode are nothing more than harmony against a chords Root.

If you already have a good understanding of Intervals and Chord Construction , you can get an very indepth look at all these relationships by learn Keys, or Diatonic Theory with this document...

http://lessons.mikedodge.com/lessons/MusicTheory/Diatonic/DiatonicTOC.htm

Once you understand that you can use modes for exactly what they are - harmonic Intervals against a chord.

Then move to this...Determining What Key You are in

By knowing what Key you are in, along with the other information, you'll always know what scales to play against what chords and progression/songs.

These are things you'll USE for a lifetime instead of WONDER about for a lifetime.

I know what you mean "the chords that go with the scales", though do you mean each chord progression of each scale? What I mean is that you make a chord with the root of c, one with d, one with e, (ect) no matter what type it'll turn out? Say Cdim, Daugmentedadd9, Esus or whatever?

I dont know if thats a common idea in music theory, my piano teacher taught it to me....

Originally Posted by: pizzicatopickerI know what you mean "the chords that go with the scales", though do you mean each chord progression of each scale? What I mean is that you make a chord with the root of c, one with d, one with e, (ect) no matter what type it'll turn out? Say Cdim, Daugmentedadd9, Esus or whatever?

I dont know if thats a common idea in music theory, my piano teacher taught it to me....

Yes. If the scale is C Major, the first three notes are C, D, and E...so the First chord will be a C of some sort, the second chord will be a D of some sort, and the 3rd chord will be an E chord of some sort...and so on up the scale.

That document will explain it in detail...as to what chords get built.