for those of you criticizing harsh vocals on no ground, i think you should know what you're talking about before actually talking. harsh vocals are actually harder than clean ones and unlike simply being gifted, u have to also train your throat to sucessfully hold even one note while growling, try it out yourself. also, its well known that harsh vocalists can almost always sing perfect clean vocals, while clean vocalists can never sing harsh vocals without at least lots of training. and another thing, if you simply say that harsh vocals "are crappy", its just you're goddamn opinion and not everyone agrees with you, I personally really love music with harsh vocals.