I guess i shouldhave been a littlemore clearabout my wants and ive narrowed it down to what should i look into for a thrash metal tone outof the box with no external effects accept maybe chorus and wah to accompany the distortion, I am dead set on it being all tube however this i know im tired of the lack of character my 212 solidsate has I am also tired of using a metalzone it just feels like a heartless tease when compared to what I know i could get from a great amp.so( thrash metal tone is the key point i guess). :D Also i forgot to mention that i would preferably get a head and cab however it does depend on how i like somthing when i try it thats the part that counts right.