Originally Posted by: 6strngs_2hmbkrsI beg to differ. black metal is not talentless. though it really depends on what bands you consider black metal. but when I think of black metal, the first (and only) band that enters my mind is cradle of filth. and, I haven't heard a whole lot of their stuff, I own one cd, and I can it's definately not talentless. I mean, so of it is, but then you get these catchy little sections here and there. I think the lyrics are a bit lacking, and sure singing about satan and midian, and cthulu is appealing to these wanna-be goths, but it's just a bit stupid in my opinion. anyways, they do have quite a bit of talent in their music, though it isn't always in the guitar solos, it's more in how the song is arranged and put together, how it's played, and how the band as a whole works together to get the message out loud and clear, even if the message is kinda stupid.

Ok, I was referring to when black metal began and I was also referring to black metal. Not wanna-be goths. And as I stated in my previous comment, when black metal FIRST came out, it was veritably talentless. Even to date, most of the black metal bands in the world are veritably if not completely talentless. Now, I'm not saying all of them are, but when black metal began, it wasn't about trying to master your instrument. Punk influence played a suffice role in black metal's beginnings and as a side effect the music was basic. And as I said before, it was originally based around a rebellious message, namely anti-christianity. The corpse paint rose with the music and soon black metal became bound with it. These days the message that was originally being made has faded. Why's that? Because no one that's making black metal anymore was there when it was being made. The most influential of black metal bands have either disbanned, developed acute tendonitis, passed away/been killed, are in jail, or have converted to death metal. Most of the people that make black metal anymore just take a fraction of the message (Satan as seems to be the most popular), put on corpse paint because it's "grim" and play garbage. Others like Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir have been selling black metal out. But the problem there in lies that real black metal is dead. It died long ago when all the prime influences either disbanned, developed acute tendonitis, passed away/been killed, are in jail, or have converted to death metal. A lot of the old stuff (basic as it is, bad production and all) is actually still pretty enjoyable to listen to, provided the mood is right, but these days people just go out of their way to recreate something that's long since passed.