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Originally Posted by: bells&whistlesI didn't say it wasn't talented and technical music. Im saying screaming and shouting isn't music. The whole slipknot group isn't music!

That's a low blow to the world of real metal.

Originally Posted by: bells&whistlesThe whole slipknot group isn't music!

that's not metal, it's nu-metal, which was already previously stated as being crap. real metal is not crap.. some examples of real metal (and these are just some of my favorites) are some bands like: lamb of god, arch enemy, children of bodom, as I lay dying, haste the day, norma jean, and cradle of filth (though they may be too popularized with todays wanna-be goth kids, there is no doubting the muscial talent, at least with their older stuff, I haven't heard much of their newer stuff) look into some of those bands if you wanna hear some good metal.

btw, who said screaming isn't music? actually, 99% of the time with metal bands, the lead singer who is doing the screaming can actually sing very well normally as well. this is because it does take talent and musical ability to scream.. because though they are screaming, they are screaming in key.

Originally Posted by: 6strngs_2hmbkrsthat's not metal, it's nu-metal, which was already previously stated as being crap. real metal is not crap.. some examples of real metal (and these are just some of my favorites) are some bands like: lamb of god, arch enemy, children of bodom, as I lay dying, haste the day, norma jean, and cradle of filth (though they may be too popularized with todays wanna-be goth kids, there is no doubting the muscial talent, at least with their older stuff, I haven't heard much of their newer stuff) look into some of those bands if you wanna hear some good metal.

btw, who said screaming isn't music? actually, 99% of the time with metal bands, the lead singer who is doing the screaming can actually sing very well normally as well. this is because it does take talent and musical ability to scream.. because though they are screaming, they are screaming in key.

I thought you said you were going to show some examples of metal.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsI thought you said you were going to show some examples of metal.

yeah, I know it's not like the death metal stuff you listen to. but it's still metal.

if you want to hear some, go to launch.yahoo.com and play some of their music videos (requires a yahoo account, which is free)

Arch enemy
lamb of god
children of bodom
norma jean

knock your socks off

Originally Posted by: 6strngs_2hmbkrsyeah, I know it's not like the death metal stuff you listen to. but it's still metal.

if you want to hear some, go to launch.yahoo.com and play some of their music videos (requires a yahoo account, which is free)

Arch enemy
lamb of god
children of bodom
norma jean

knock your socks off

I stand by what I said earlier.

Originally Posted by: AkiraMetal is all screaming and shouting eh?

Er, so what about, Iron Maiden, Racer X, Symphony X, and Nightwish? (To name but a few).

Don't forget King Diamond.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsI stand by what I said earlier.

god dude.. what kind of answer were you looking for? there's lots of types of metal.. from ACDC and black sabbath, all the way up to the crazy death metal stuff you listen to. like necrophogist or something like that was a band you showed me an example of right?

why don't you show me some examples of what you consider metal then?

I've never thought of AC\DC as a metal band myself. I think they fall under the good old Rock-N-Roll category. Metal to me is more like Iron Maiden, Metallica (ten years ago), Megadeth, Pantera........ ;)

Originally Posted by: 6strngs_2hmbkrsgod dude.. what kind of answer were you looking for? there's lots of types of metal.. from ACDC and black sabbath, all the way up to the crazy death metal stuff you listen to. like necrophogist or something like that was a band you showed me an example of right?

why don't you show me some examples of what you consider metal then?

By the law of my brethren I am forbidden to speak of such things so that I might help keep the sacredness of true metal forever untainted by those who infect.

In otherwords, I hold a very opinionated view on what makes real metal REAL metal and it's not something that can be readily answered. I do know that I had a kind of epiphany when I discovered what I hold today as metal and since then I've hated thoughts of people walking around saying crap like "I listen to black metal like Dimmyoo Borjeer and Cradle of Filth" while drawing a blank when you approach them with real black metal bands. Since I'm pointing fingers at bands, Children of Bodom used to be good, but lately they've been so watered down that it's a complete waste of talent in the group. But it's ok, so long as they're busy pleasing the mass of musical idiots in the world, so who cares? It's not like anyone actually cares about musical value. Speaking of musical value. I'm completely disgusted by Michael Amott. A man who was once part of one of the greatest death metal bands ever is now busy screwing around in Arch Enemy. The band has plenty of talent inside of the circle, now if only they could break up and go do something that requires that talent. Since I"m on the topic of things that require talent. I don't know what you call Lamb of God, but I call it wussified crap. I don't know what it is that everyone sees in them.

So here I am, having just criticized everyone that you've just suggested as metal and I'm posed with the opportunity to clarify my opinion of what metal is. Having also stated that I treat it in a fashion that's not unlike a cult follower, I shall step down and refrain from dispersing names, not because I fear being wrong (I've already stated that I'm opinionated about this), but because I hold metal high and am not ready to take it all in vain just to prove a point.

That ought to start a ruckus... sorry guys. I'm a dick. Oh, and it was probably chucklivesoninmyheart that suggested Necrophagist to you.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsBy the law of my brethren I am forbidden to speak of such things so that I might help keep the sacredness of true metal forever untainted by those who infect.

In otherwords, I hold a very opinionated view on what makes real metal REAL metal and it's not something that can be readily answered. I do know that I had a kind of epiphany when I discovered what I hold today as metal and since then I've hated thoughts of people walking around saying crap like "I listen to black metal like Dimmyoo Borjeer and Cradle of Filth" while drawing a blank when you approach them with real black metal bands. Since I'm pointing fingers at bands, Children of Bodom used to be good, but lately they've been so watered down that it's a complete waste of talent in the group. But it's ok, so long as they're busy pleasing the mass of musical idiots in the world, so who cares? It's not like anyone actually cares about musical value. Speaking of musical value. I'm completely disgusted by Michael Amott. A man who was once part of one of the greatest death metal bands ever is now busy screwing around in Arch Enemy. The band has plenty of talent inside of the circle, now if only they could break up and go do something that requires that talent. Since I"m on the topic of things that require talent. I don't know what you call Lamb of God, but I call it wussified crap. I don't know what it is that everyone sees in them.

So here I am, having just criticized everyone that you've just suggested as metal and I'm posed with the opportunity to clarify my opinion of what metal is. Having also stated that I treat it in a fashion that's not unlike a cult follower, I shall step down and refrain from dispersing names, not because I fear being wrong (I've already stated that I'm opinionated about this), but because I hold metal high and am not ready to take it all in vain just to prove a point.

That ought to start a ruckus... sorry guys. I'm a dick. Oh, and it was probably chucklivesoninmyheart that suggested Necrophagist to you.

I will never understand how your mind works...

Originally Posted by: 6strngs_2hmbkrsI will never understand how your mind works...

You and me both.

But i would concider some of those bands just as rock. I feel theres a fine line between defining music types :cool:

Originally Posted by: AkiraMetal is all screaming and shouting eh?

Er, so what about, Iron Maiden, Racer X, Symphony X, and Nightwish? (To name but a few).

Nightwish does their fair share of it, as does Symphony X.

Originally Posted by: AkiraI've only ever heard as much as "a rough voice" from Symphony X, on their new album (a "concept" album). And I haven't heard enough Nightwish to agree with you or not, i'm only just getting into them really.

When the Woman isn't singing, this guy will do this yelly gruff voice. Yeah, I guess rough voice is a better description for Symphony X, but meh.

Originally Posted by: AkiraAhh, well I plan on buying one of their albums next month anyway, so we shall see oh Jolly one!

Haha, good band though, I like Over the Hills and Far Away, even though they should probably have thought of another title, and the lyrics are lame.