Originally Posted by: Blues_ManI just really f-ing sick of people complaining every freakin thing that goes wrong in their life is the presidents fault! Did he personally abuse prisoners at abu grav? No! Did he issue a command to only save white people at Katrina? No! And just to comment on the question of pulling out of iraq, Most nations dont trust the U.S. BECAUSE they pull out of a war instead of finishing it ! And then the terrorist come back and massacre the people!!! Ex. Vietnam, Persian gulf war 1...

and it's talk like that that allows torture and such to continue...you don't hold the president accountable for his staff. it's a case of you accepting that the left hand has no clue what the right is doing. he's the president, if he's not in control of his staff, we're in a lot bigger trouble than i'm even making it out to be.


pulling out of iraq would show that we're rethinking our policies in the middle east rather than just looking to control the entire middle east and support oppressive regiemes like the sauds. the terrorists see this as a defensive jihand to defend their land from foriegn invaders....which we are!

it also doesn't help that we're claiming to be the moral beacon but we have torture jails and kidnap people without any legal justifications other than a hunch someone has with no submitted proof or request for a warrent.

if you're right and the president isn't to blame, he's still to blame for keeping an incompetant staff.