yeah, so, as much as I like my fender fm212R, it's a bit too loud... amps have there sweet spots, but I just can't crank mine loud enough to reach that sweet spot, I have to keep the volume really low (I've got the volume at about 3, and the gain at about 3 1/2 to keep the volumes ok)
so I'm looking at some quieter amps, somewhere around 50 watts, rather then 100.

now, from what I've heard, 50 tube watts is way louder then 50 solid state watts, but I've also heard that fender amps are just insanely loud... so if I go to a 50 watt tube amp, that'll still be quieter then my fender right?

I'm looking at these amps (don't want to spend an arm and a leg)
amp 1
amp 2
amp 3 (this one is stretching the price a bit, but if you think it's worth it for that marshall crunch, then maybe)

also, can anyone tell me how much a Mesa boogie Rect-O-Verb or F50 would cost? (combo versions)

and, I was considering a peavey classic 30/50, until I read this "A fantastic amp for blues or vintage rock" in the description on musicians friend. I need an amp that has more of an edge to it without using pedals.

I really don't know how to describe the tone that I want to you guys (especially since I don't know too well myself) but, I tried out a marshall JCM 2000 TSL100, and it was pretty much dead on. I've also tried a Mesa Triple Rectofier, and it has a real good distortion on it too (I didn't mess around with it long enough to see what a lead sound would sound like, but I'm sure it's good, come on, it's a Mesa!)

I'm also open to more suggestions in the $300-$500 price range (though if there is an amazing amp that is just outside of that range, then I can save for a while longer if I have to.)

and if that wasn't enough questions, I have just one more, how much would you sell a fender fm212R for? it's around 6 months old, only been transported a few times, in extremely good condition, has no cosmetic flaws, no tears, no dents, no scratches. it's never been used with the volume above 7, and even then it was only once, 99.9% of the time the volume has stayed between 2 and 5. it probably has less then 100 hours of use (less then 3 hours per week, for 6 months) speakers are in good condition, not blown, not rattling, nothing. and I bought it for $300 (I take care of my stuff, can you tell?)