Originally Posted by: schmangeWhat gives the U.S. the right to dictate the terms of other governments?[/quote]
In the case of Iraq?

The cease-fire Iraq signed after the first Gulf War that they never lived up to.

Originally Posted by: schmangeThe U.S. probably has more WMD's than any other country on the planet. The only reason they want to stop other countries from developing weapons is because they don't want to lose their world domination.[/quote]
And yet, in spite of all of this "domination," very little seems to go our way lately.

Originally Posted by: schmangeAs far as documents etc... sorry but I don't buy any of it.
Bush is a habitual liar and it's well within his ability to manufacture or forge any documents that would favour his position.[/quote]
If he was going to the effort of fabricating something, why not fabricate some chemical shells and leave them someplace where UNMOVIC was going to find them? Wouldn't that get us a lot further than some documents the press could easily (and largely did) ignore?

Why did Hillary Clinton at least tacitly support his case for war before the invaision?

How is it that Bush can cause UN officials to give reports to the Security Council that show evidence of covert WMD programs they didn't actually give?

For Christ's sakes, we're talking about a President who couldn't identify a forged purchase order for Nigerian Yellowcake Uranium and went public with it -- when he could have proven the same point with British and Italian intelligence sources that have to this day remained unimpeachable.

Originally Posted by: schmangeI'll be the first to admit I probably don't know all the facts.
I just go on gut instinct and that 'feeling' you get when you know something's not right.
Bush gives me that feeling big time. My bull*** meter redlines every time that guy talks. I kinda see things in a simple way.[/quote]
I don't like the guy either (I wrote in John McCain in 2000 and would have again in 2004 had I requested my absentee ballot in time), but I've been keeping up on this a lot longer than he's been President.

Originally Posted by: schmangeWe had 10 years of nice quiet peace with Clinton as President.
The guy was a bit of a perve but so what... who isn't.

The first WTC bombing... attacks against our troops who were enforcing the cease-fire and training the Saudis... embassy bombings... the USS Cole attack... 99.99% of the planning and preparations that went into the 9/11 attacks... Not to mention Somolia and Kosovo...

Yeah, real quiet.


[QUOTE=schmange]Bush becomes president... suddenly we've got the twin towers destroyed, war with Iraq and terrorists coming out of the woodwork.
Meanwhile, privacy is being eroded all in the name of 'safety'.

The conspiracy theory is just as credible as anything else I've heard.
Bush invades Iraq to get even for his dads failure. At the same time he trumps up documents and evidence that show Iraq was trying to build nuclear bombs. The twin towers come down. "Oh goody" Bush says... now everybody is going to be so scared, I can do anything I want.
Armed guards at airports, cameras everywhere, satellite survelience, hell even chips embeded in people to keep track of everybody in the world eventually.. the sky's the limit....
First I'll dominate the U.S.
Next thing on the list is to manufacture so much fear of terrorists that I can dominate the whole world.

How? He can't even keep his daughters from embarassing him.

Hell, even if he could acheive this world dominance, he'd have to give it up in 2008. What's the point in that?


[QUOTE=schmange]Meantime the guy who was actually responsible for 9/11 is still free.
Billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of troops and they can't find one guy??

Why go out of your way to make a martyr out of one man when you can do so much more to cripple his ability to hurt you?

Look at how long some serial killers operate before they're caught (some without ever being caught); even in spite of going out of their way to taunt the police, or that Japanese soldier who manned his post on a remote Pacific island for 50 years. If one man with the wits, means and know-how doesn't want to be found, he probably won't be found. Especially when he's surrounded by sympathetic Pakistani radicals in the middle of bum-fudge-nowhere.


[QUOTE=schmange]I mean, Bush even flew the rest of the Bin Laden family out of the U.S. just after 9/11.

Actually, Richard Clarke did, and why the Hell not? Most of bin Laden's family doesn't even really know him (he's his mother's only son) and people who were guilty of nothing more than being "Arab-looking" and working at gas stations were being shot at. Imagine what having the name "bin Laden" suddenly meant for a few young college students -- mostly concerned with Beer Pong and getting laid -- as well as some other relatives who the FBI cleared of any connection to Osama... other than sharing some of his father's DNA.



[QUOTE=schmange]Isn't it sort of police policy to interogate and imprison people who are suspected of involvement in a crime, rather than give them a free flight out of the country?