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ScottMoney
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02/28/2005 8:06 am
I had a question regarding technique from a tab

the following tab from an arpeggio (Dm in Eugene's Bag Trick):

e :-----------10-13-10--------
B :---------10---------10-----
G :-----7-10-------------10-7
D :----7----------------------
A :-5-8-----------------------
E :5--------------------------

I would like to know how the fingering is supposed to work. I think it's supposed to go (finger-1....pinky-4)...

1-1-4-1-1-3-3-3-4-3-3-3-1

... in progressing notes. I hope that's not too confusing. I'd appreciate any feedback!
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02/28/2005 10:44 am
Try it this way.


e----------------------10-13-10--------------------
b-------------------10----------10-----------------
g----------------10----------------10--------------
D-------------12----------------------12-----------
A----------12----------------------------12--------
E-5-10-13-----------------------------------13-10--



If you prefere the pattern you typed , I think it would be better to finger like this :
1-1-4-1-1-4-1-1-4 and the same way descending.
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02/28/2005 10:45 am
maybe try refingering it, try to keep it all in one position if you can. its not very economic, too many position shifts if you ask me
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02/28/2005 3:01 pm
Thank you for making life easier. That was the one arpeggio I was having serious trouble with. appreciate it sir

actually, at the moment this works best

e----------------------10-13-10--------------------
b-------------------10----------10-----------------
g----------------10----------------10--------------
D-------------12----------------------12-----------
A-0--------12----------------------------12--------
E---10-13-----------------------------------13-10--

...I mute the open A when I play the 10... It's just a good thing I don't sweep pick this cause I don't see how that would work
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02/28/2005 4:08 pm
A lesson learned in life : The fingering in tabs isn't usualy the best , that's if the tabs were assumed to be accurate ! :cool:

About sweeping , some people play arpeggios like this one with alternate picking , but you'll come close to the sweeping speed with alternate picking.
To sweep pick this Dmin arp :
1) Pick the E-10 with a down stroke
2) Hammer-on to E-13
3) Continue with the downstrokes up to e-10
4) Pick the 13 with an upstroke
5) Pull-off to e-10
6) Continue with the upstrokes


You can also start the E-10 with an upstroke and downstrike the E-13 instead , if you don't want to hammer on.
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02/28/2005 4:25 pm
appreciated, I know tabs aren't always accurate and sometimes I trust them a little more than I should but... anyways, yea I think I'll try to be consistent in alternate picking this instead of sweep picking it. The reason is right now I just feel way uncomfortable sweep picking. Something I'll have to work on eventually but 1st priority right now: work out my pathetic alternate picking. Once I get a little quicker with my fretting hand I'll start sweeping :P
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02/28/2005 4:28 pm
Setting goals and achieving them indicates you're on the right track ... Good luck dude . :)
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02/28/2005 6:04 pm
Originally Posted by: SLYA lesson learned in life : The fingering in tabs isn't usualy the best , that's if the tabs were assumed to be accurate ! :cool:

They're correct. He's using the same tabs I used to learn it. I fretted it differently. 1-1-4-1-1-1-1-1-4-1-1-1-1-1-4-1-1 ( I barred with my index and slid up to the first 10).
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03/01/2005 4:39 pm
I know this particular tab is accurate , but the fingering is a little awkward ... It's much easier my way.
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03/01/2005 6:42 pm
Originally Posted by: SLYIt's much easier my way


Fine, Mr. Bigshot. I guess me and my stupid way will just hit the trail... :( :mad:
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03/04/2005 12:18 pm
[QUOTE=SLY]Try it this way.


e----------------------10-13-10--------------------
b-------------------10----------10-----------------
g----------------10----------------10--------------
D-------------12----------------------12-----------
A----------12----------------------------12--------
E-5-10-13-----------------------------------13-10--



can u give me the fingering pattern during down and up sweeps for the above arpeggio and can u please explain how to execute the sweep ?
(i think the down sweep pattern is 1-1-4-3-3-1-1-1-4-1 , but i am confused whether to hold my index finger as a barre chord or to slide them down as i go down to the high-E )
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03/04/2005 1:54 pm
is that song inspired from nicolo panganini 5th caprice in A minor?? lol im learning that right now...its a good exercise as well :cool:
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03/04/2005 7:51 pm
yea it's steve vai's take on the 5th caprice by paganini.

Well I don't really like sliding my index finger all that much if it's not necessary. I think I'll stick with 1-1-4-1-1-3-3-3-4-3-3-3-1

Also, I alternate pick it. I had to give my fingers a day of rest. I went at it hardcore for like five days and I guess my fingers just weren't ready for the torture.

What a beautiful song if you can get it down. Especially once you get done with the arpeggios and you can play the final lick. I love it!
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03/05/2005 10:02 pm
Originally Posted by: bharath (i think the down sweep pattern is 1-1-4-3-3-1-1-1-4-1 , but i am confused whether to hold my index finger as a barre chord or to slide them down as i go down to the high-E )


Yes , hold your index as in a barre chord throughout the whole arpeggio , and you've got the fingering correctly .
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03/06/2005 7:22 am
Oh, I can get us there really quick.
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03/06/2005 6:25 pm
Classic... What a movie
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