Originally Posted by: Incidents HappenRhythm on the vocals isn't new by any means. Anyone else remember the Beatles ?

Improvisation isn't new by any means. Charlie Parker ring a bell?

They are not original, you just haven't heard enough music.

~Incidents

P.S- Slimtao, I'm not a classical/jazz freak only, I'm the biggest Beatles fan you'll probably ever see

The beatles were on my top 10 list...

... I listened to no one else but them for at least a year when I was 16-17

Of course all melodies have some type of rhythm. Its impossible not to. Not all rhythms have melodies. I will attempt to illustrate. Do drums have a melody? No. Do rap vocals have a melody? No. Do drums play the rhythm? Yes. Do rap vocals play the rhythm? Yes.

Please cite a Beatles song where the vocals are playing a drumming part. I will get my cd and reference it because I don't recall hearing such a song. I only remember melodic vocal phrasing in Beatles songs.

I assure you that I have heard enough music. If I were to bet; I would say more then you.