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snojones

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I stand corrected.....clearly that makes piano way cooler....

Was that BJ concert in moscow right after the wall fell?!

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I stand corrected.....clearly that makes piano way cooler....

Was that BJ concert in moscow right after the wall fell?!

Captcha is a total pain in the........

faith83

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Originally Posted by: snojones

I stand corrected.....clearly that makes piano way cooler....

LOL! It's not the size of the pencil, it's how you write your name. Anything can be cool if the right person is playing it. Proof of that is that Billy actually looked pretty cool playing the accordion on Downeaster Alexa...

Accordion... precursor to the keytar... hmmm...

"You can get what you want or you can just get old." Billy Joel

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Originally Posted by: snojones

I stand corrected.....clearly that makes piano way cooler....

LOL! It's not the size of the pencil, it's how you write your name. Anything can be cool if the right person is playing it. Proof of that is that Billy actually looked pretty cool playing the accordion on Downeaster Alexa...

Accordion... precursor to the keytar... hmmm...

"You can get what you want or you can just get old." Billy Joel

snojones

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So was that concert in moscow right after the wall fell?!

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So was that concert in moscow right after the wall fell?!

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faith83

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Way before the wall fell, which was 91. But during Glasnost, certainly.

Billy was the first US rock star to play the Soviet Union with a full concert band. JD being the first American entertainer to perform there in 85, but it was just him and a guitar and, of course, he was not a rocker, but a folk singer. I've often thought it interesting that those are my two top guys... a strange coincidence.

Both of them have concert albums from the USSR, and both are excellent recordings.

"You can get what you want or you can just get old." Billy Joel

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Way before the wall fell, which was 91. But during Glasnost, certainly.

Billy was the first US rock star to play the Soviet Union with a full concert band. JD being the first American entertainer to perform there in 85, but it was just him and a guitar and, of course, he was not a rocker, but a folk singer. I've often thought it interesting that those are my two top guys... a strange coincidence.

Both of them have concert albums from the USSR, and both are excellent recordings.

"You can get what you want or you can just get old." Billy Joel

snojones

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That must have been an amazing experience! I clearly remember watching news clips of that show (billed at the first rock band in the USSR) For a brief while, I actually had hope for the world as a result of that show. How long were you there? Did you go on your own or were you part of the band's entourage? (hope I got that spelling?!) What was the crowd like.

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That must have been an amazing experience! I clearly remember watching news clips of that show (billed at the first rock band in the USSR) For a brief while, I actually had hope for the world as a result of that show. How long were you there? Did you go on your own or were you part of the band's entourage? (hope I got that spelling?!) What was the crowd like.

Captcha is a total pain in the........

faith83

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Originally Posted by: snojones

That must have been an amazing experience! I clearly remember watching news clips of that show (billed at the first rock band in the USSR) For a brief while, I actually had hope for the world as a result of that show. How long were you there? Did you go on your own or were you part of the band's entourage? (hope I got that spelling?!) What was the crowd like.

Oh, I wasn't there -- I wish!!! I was a BJ groupie for a summer during his 91 Storm Front tour and have some really fun stories from that time (incliuding the one about getting to be Mrs. Billy Joel for about 30 seconds, LOL), but no, I was not there.

But there is a really really good documentary about Billy's USSR tour that shows a lot of what you're asking about in terms of the crowd. It's called A Matter of Trust: Billy Joel in the USSR and is available on Amazon. It was recently re-edited and expanded. (It also includes the piano throwing incident...)

JD's USSR concert is also available on Amazon and on the JD website. It's one of his best concerts, IMO, though not as magical as Harbor Lights in 95.

"You can get what you want or you can just get old." Billy Joel

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Originally Posted by: snojones

That must have been an amazing experience! I clearly remember watching news clips of that show (billed at the first rock band in the USSR) For a brief while, I actually had hope for the world as a result of that show. How long were you there? Did you go on your own or were you part of the band's entourage? (hope I got that spelling?!) What was the crowd like.

Oh, I wasn't there -- I wish!!! I was a BJ groupie for a summer during his 91 Storm Front tour and have some really fun stories from that time (incliuding the one about getting to be Mrs. Billy Joel for about 30 seconds, LOL), but no, I was not there.

But there is a really really good documentary about Billy's USSR tour that shows a lot of what you're asking about in terms of the crowd. It's called A Matter of Trust: Billy Joel in the USSR and is available on Amazon. It was recently re-edited and expanded. (It also includes the piano throwing incident...)

JD's USSR concert is also available on Amazon and on the JD website. It's one of his best concerts, IMO, though not as magical as Harbor Lights in 95.

"You can get what you want or you can just get old." Billy Joel

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Oh well Mrs Billy isn't chopped liver.

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Oh well Mrs Billy isn't chopped liver.

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ChristopherSchlegel

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This thread has taken an interesting turn! :)

I enjoyed these observations:

Originally Posted by: snojones

It is easier to learn the names of the notes because there are just about half as many choices and they are laid out in black and white. There is a reason they teach university throry classes around the piano.

This is a real good observation.

Besides guitar, the piano is one of the only instruments on which the arrangement of musical alphabet notes is directly perceivable. Not just easy to see, but possible to see. The percussion family is related to piano (glockenspiel, xylophone, vibes, marimba) & you can see the notes.

But, if you look at brass or wind instruments you see buttons, levers, valves. There are no notes directly visible. The violin family has no frets. So, again, no notes!

The guitar makes it possible to see the notes, but there's a lot of potential confusion because you can play the same note in more than one place.

But this disadvantage turns into an incredible advantage in one aspect:

Originally Posted by: snojones
However just try and transpose anything into the key of F# or Bb, on the fly and you will see where the strength of the guitar neck comes into play.[/p]

Exactly!

Learn one scale pattern & you know a physical fretboard layout of all 12 possible scales. Learn one chord shape (especially a barre chord) & you automatically know all 12 possible major or minor chords using that one shape.

This is an incredible tactical advantage that I wish more guitar students were aware of. Thanks for calling it out!

Christopher Schlegel
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This thread has taken an interesting turn! :)

I enjoyed these observations:

Originally Posted by: snojones

It is easier to learn the names of the notes because there are just about half as many choices and they are laid out in black and white. There is a reason they teach university throry classes around the piano.

This is a real good observation.

Besides guitar, the piano is one of the only instruments on which the arrangement of musical alphabet notes is directly perceivable. Not just easy to see, but possible to see. The percussion family is related to piano (glockenspiel, xylophone, vibes, marimba) & you can see the notes.

But, if you look at brass or wind instruments you see buttons, levers, valves. There are no notes directly visible. The violin family has no frets. So, again, no notes!

The guitar makes it possible to see the notes, but there's a lot of potential confusion because you can play the same note in more than one place.

But this disadvantage turns into an incredible advantage in one aspect:

Originally Posted by: snojones
However just try and transpose anything into the key of F# or Bb, on the fly and you will see where the strength of the guitar neck comes into play.[/p]

Exactly!

Learn one scale pattern & you know a physical fretboard layout of all 12 possible scales. Learn one chord shape (especially a barre chord) & you automatically know all 12 possible major or minor chords using that one shape.

This is an incredible tactical advantage that I wish more guitar students were aware of. Thanks for calling it out!

Christopher Schlegel
Guitar Tricks Instructor

Christopher Schlegel Lesson Directory

faith83

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Lol, yes it has! Thank you for bringing us full circle again, Christopher.

"You can get what you want or you can just get old." Billy Joel

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Lol, yes it has! Thank you for bringing us full circle again, Christopher.

"You can get what you want or you can just get old." Billy Joel

hsnoeckx

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Originally Posted by: snojones

I stand corrected.....clearly that makes piano way cooler....

Was that BJ concert in moscow right after the wall fell?!

Right after the wall fell there was a big concert from Pink Floyd with lots of big names like Snowy White and Cindy Laupner at the Brandenburger tor in Berlin. Don't know if BJ was there to?

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Originally Posted by: snojones

I stand corrected.....clearly that makes piano way cooler....

Was that BJ concert in moscow right after the wall fell?!

Right after the wall fell there was a big concert from Pink Floyd with lots of big names like Snowy White and Cindy Laupner at the Brandenburger tor in Berlin. Don't know if BJ was there to?