Singing lessons

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Vegas Wierdo

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Mick Jagger, Iggy Pop, Johnny Rotten, David Byrne, David Johansson (later known as Buster Poindexter, but that's a whole 'nother story), Richard Hell, Kurt Cobain, Jello Biafra, Phil Anselmo, Joey Ramone, Ian MacKaye, Henry Rollins...

They can't "sing". But they're far, far beyond 99% of human beings who can.

Some of the best rock 'n' roll that is and ever was has been made by guys (and girls) who:

- Had cheap, shoddy equipment from a pawn shop.
- Had pretty much no real training to speak of.
- Recorded entire studio albums onto cheap 4-track machines.
- Went ahead and started a band anyways, despite the naysayers or the prevailing conventions and standards of the day that dictated the proper way to make rock and pop. Historically speaking (as in, early to mid 1970s), if you could pin the "punk rock" phenomenon down to a single ethic that all the pioneering figures had in common, on either side of the Pond, that would be it.

Then again, I guess it helps if you want to be the next John Mayer or even... the next Robert Plant. Nothing wrong with that, for sure.

But remember, it's only rock'n'roll. :cool:

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Mick Jagger, Iggy Pop, Johnny Rotten, David Byrne, David Johansson (later known as Buster Poindexter, but that's a whole 'nother story), Richard Hell, Kurt Cobain, Jello Biafra, Phil Anselmo, Joey Ramone, Ian MacKaye, Henry Rollins...

They can't "sing". But they're far, far beyond 99% of human beings who can.

Some of the best rock 'n' roll that is and ever was has been made by guys (and girls) who:

- Had cheap, shoddy equipment from a pawn shop.
- Had pretty much no real training to speak of.
- Recorded entire studio albums onto cheap 4-track machines.
- Went ahead and started a band anyways, despite the naysayers or the prevailing conventions and standards of the day that dictated the proper way to make rock and pop. Historically speaking (as in, early to mid 1970s), if you could pin the "punk rock" phenomenon down to a single ethic that all the pioneering figures had in common, on either side of the Pond, that would be it.

Then again, I guess it helps if you want to be the next John Mayer or even... the next Robert Plant. Nothing wrong with that, for sure.

But remember, it's only rock'n'roll. :cool:

marvelc711

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Originally Posted by: suicidalmoose
hey i was wondering whether anybody here goes to singing lessons and whether they're really worth it. like guitar lessons were worth it for me when i was learnin the basics and after that tabs and this site kinda gave me things to practice.

I was goin to singing workshops before but it was all pop music and it annoyed the crap out of me because it was on a monday at 7, and monday evenings i'm in my worst mood cause of the new week of work.

after you know the basics, ie sing from the diaghram, breathing excercises etc, how do you about singing rock, punk, metal? do you just jump in an do it, practice heaps or what?

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Originally Posted by: suicidalmoose
hey i was wondering whether anybody here goes to singing lessons and whether they're really worth it. like guitar lessons were worth it for me when i was learnin the basics and after that tabs and this site kinda gave me things to practice.

I was goin to singing workshops before but it was all pop music and it annoyed the crap out of me because it was on a monday at 7, and monday evenings i'm in my worst mood cause of the new week of work.

after you know the basics, ie sing from the diaghram, breathing excercises etc, how do you about singing rock, punk, metal? do you just jump in an do it, practice heaps or what?

snojones

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Like any skill, singing takes practice. It also helps to get skilled advice. Lessons can't hurt (it it does not apply to what you are doing, you just quit). Lessons can be very helpful (in that they can help you to understand how the instrument works).

I actually find singing harder to master. There are no frets to get your intonation right, you just have to learn how to hear that sound in your head. Then you work to make that sound with your voice, then you work to develop vocal chops that make a great vocalist. It is the same as learning to play guitar except there are no stops to help you hit any note. No piano keys, no frets, and nothing to really look at. It is all internal, invisiable, and thus harder to master. When you play an instrument you first learn the mechanics and from that, you develop your sound (ie. you learn to play chords and scales and then you produce a sound). When you learn to sing it is the opposite and quite a be more complicated (you have to conceptulize what your sound is, then you have to learn how to make those sounds reliably). I find voice much more complicated to master.

Some people have just made a habit of singing or they have deep natural tallent (Jagger ect). Those are the exception... not the rule. Most people have to work to develop and then to maintain a trained voice (don't forget that the Jaggers of the world also have 50 plus years of practice). That is a BIG deal.

If you want to sing, and you can arrange to have lessons, I would recomend you try them. Even just beginner training could be very helpful as you start to grow your skill set.

Captcha is a total pain in the........

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Like any skill, singing takes practice. It also helps to get skilled advice. Lessons can't hurt (it it does not apply to what you are doing, you just quit). Lessons can be very helpful (in that they can help you to understand how the instrument works).

I actually find singing harder to master. There are no frets to get your intonation right, you just have to learn how to hear that sound in your head. Then you work to make that sound with your voice, then you work to develop vocal chops that make a great vocalist. It is the same as learning to play guitar except there are no stops to help you hit any note. No piano keys, no frets, and nothing to really look at. It is all internal, invisiable, and thus harder to master. When you play an instrument you first learn the mechanics and from that, you develop your sound (ie. you learn to play chords and scales and then you produce a sound). When you learn to sing it is the opposite and quite a be more complicated (you have to conceptulize what your sound is, then you have to learn how to make those sounds reliably). I find voice much more complicated to master.

Some people have just made a habit of singing or they have deep natural tallent (Jagger ect). Those are the exception... not the rule. Most people have to work to develop and then to maintain a trained voice (don't forget that the Jaggers of the world also have 50 plus years of practice). That is a BIG deal.

If you want to sing, and you can arrange to have lessons, I would recomend you try them. Even just beginner training could be very helpful as you start to grow your skill set.

Captcha is a total pain in the........

DraconusJLM

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What's with all the really old threads suddenly being resurrected? This one dates back to just over 15 years ago.....

Six strings, but only four fingers. Twelve simi-tones, but only eight notes to an octive. Part of me thinks mathematicians should steer well clear of guitars.....

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What's with all the really old threads suddenly being resurrected? This one dates back to just over 15 years ago.....

Six strings, but only four fingers. Twelve simi-tones, but only eight notes to an octive. Part of me thinks mathematicians should steer well clear of guitars.....