Originally posted by chris mood
I'm not referring to the 9th, but the 3rd. In G11 the 3rd would be present, in G7sus4 the 3rd would not.
As far as #11 chords, I'll try to post some examples.

Ah. Good point. Although I think of the 11 chord as having a optional 3rd for that very reason. The only time it would clearly need a 3rd is if it was minor. Most of the time the 3rd is there anyways. 3rd's actually sound ok in sus4 chords, take this Csus4 (x32011). No I wouldn't think of it as an Fmaj9/C. I think once you start playing with the harmony above a triad, like 7th's. Additional harmony becomes 9th's not 7sus2, 11th's not 7sus4, and 13th chords. You can play a major or dominant 11th chord without the 3rd and the tonal color of the chord is still the same, only a slight alteration. Excellent way to show the difference though.

Yeah, I would like to see an example of a minor#11 chord. It's very strange and I would think it would be very rare in music. I've seen the others, but rarely.

[Edited by noticingthemistake on 11-07-2003 at 12:24 PM]