yes christopher that helps but for the time being i only want to learn songs that i have listened to so many times that ifmy hands cooperate with me i'll have no trouble with rythm. but i understand why you want students to have a basic understanding of notation. makes me think of the scene from walk the line where june carters mother said "so many musicians dont know how to read sheet music nowadays". i dont want to become a session guitarist or play classical so i think i'll just watch the tutorials just as a refresher. thanks for your help.