yeah i been listenong to alot of meshuggah there band is insane but ill pass on the singer.i was just listening to it and was like i can make this **** more insane i just need to practice some polyrhythms and odd time signatures.As for the drumming goes my drummer is just a master at stuff like that i put on the nothing c.d. and hes was like thats what we need to do and he just started playing all kinds of odd beats