Originally posted by Raskolnikov

Originally posted by SLY
[Plz , don't reply to this post before covering the left points in my previous one .
Thanx. ;)

I have several times already.

Not everything , or at least not the main points that I'd like you to cover.


The point of WMDs isn't very convincing to most people , since none were found ... And the U.S. can claim there are many hidden to infinity , that's ok with me , so let the inspections go on and stop talking about war.
And in case of war , and in case the WMDs thing is for real , when the hell do you think Saddam going to use these , after he's out of power ?
If he realy got WMDs , the U.S. shouldn't go to war against him not to let him use these weapons (like the case with N.Korea) ... That's why I'm not buying the claims of U.S. officials about this issue these days.
In other words , if the U.S. isn't sure that Saddam is harmless , they wouldn't never get their butts involved in war with him , unless they are totaly dumb ... So how do they claim he's got dangerous WMDs ?
Pretty logical , yeah ?

In the same manner you should look to a co-alition between him and Bin Laden ... This is only going to be possible in case of total war , although I realy realy doubt that those two buttholes can come along for any reason on this earth , their Ideologies are hell lot more than contradictions.



If the U.S. is so determined on removing Saddam's goddamn,evil,totalitarian regiem , why does it have to be through a total war ???
For God's sake , I posted out ONE peacefull solution (see page 11) , I know it looks naive and dreamfull , but I'm dead sure that there are hell of international law prodigies and experts in the WHITE HOUSE and they can say hell lot better than a normal person like me ... But that's if they realy wanted a peacefull solution.
Therefore , it's not a good excuse for war.



About the Iraqies population , I've seen , met ,etc. Iraqi people many times .... Lot's of them , or let's say most of them are absolutely against Saddam (btw, they are also against the war) but that's only cuz they know how realy bad is he since they can see the real image from outside.
But other Iraqies believe that he was a victim & a hero!!
Although they see from outside too, but these are the naive or ignorant people I was talking about , and I'm sure that the majority of Iraqi population inside Iraq are like that.
They say that the U.S. persuaded him to invade Kuwait , and other bullsh*t about international conspiracy against him and against Iraqi people in general ... And I'm DEADSURE that these are the crap the he's feeding his own people through the media (which is controled by one of his sons).
That's why I can imagine the amount of support he has from his poor people.
Do you know that in the latest elections (that was few months ago) , he got a 100% ?!
Of course it was fake , even GOD himself wouldn't get such support in a decent elections or survey among religious guys ... But I strongly believe that in a decent elections , Saddam isn't going to have less than 80% or a similar result.
And as I said in a previous post, he's preparing 7 million civilians (I don't doubt that number pretty much) militarily for the expected war , and of course he would never forget the psychological preparation .
Personaly I count all of these as innocent, poor, igonrant people , and I'm sure that you agree with me about that ... The question is how many of those have to be killed beside other soldiers in the army (who are not evil or bad too) and other civilian casualties in a TOTAL war?? Half of them , 70% , or even all of them ??!



Finaly , about international justice and democracy ... Why is the U.S. claiming that the UN has become useless ?? It wasn't established just to serve the U.S. interests in first place , it was established to serve the majority of the world's interests (primaty rule of democracy) , right?
And since most of the world are against the war , then the U.S. should comply as a good country , instead of destroying the UN's authority and credibility.
Am I wrong ?


For all of the above reasons (and many others of course) , the optimum solution for Iraq is through the UN and peacefully, unless Iraq starts aggression like in gulf war 2 (which is not likely to happen again ever).



Anybody else here got the feeling that posts in this thread are becoming too long and very boring to read ? ;)

[Edited by SLY on 03-13-2003 at 10:26 AM]