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manXcat
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manXcat
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05/28/2019 1:10 am

No need William MG. Opinions are just that, based upon one's own experience and predilection.

Here's elaboration of mine based upon the KISS principle. I was actually refencing in my previous post individual pedals used as such, or assembled onto a pedalboard - quite fun in itself and an adjunct to developing understanding of them, rather than something like a BOSS ME-80 et al.

An aside, I do actually own numerous pedals and a pedalboard. Seduced by curiosity complimented by affordable opportunity when I first started out I think. Unusual, as I'm not ordinarily a constantly in need of restimulation by something new! or exciting novelty personality, and generally won't buy something unless I can see a practical fairly immediate purpose for it - even if inarguably I do overindulge myself where I can.

In hindsight however, I've learnt to use my modelling amps as intended over time and hands on application salient to the initially "overwhelmed" and "steep learning curve" factors I mentioned, subsequently my pedals don't get as much use as I thought they would. That's reshaped my perspective that they, once at the forefront of tone shaping technology, are today generally rendered redundant in the home environment by contemporary modelling amps. Where they would come to their fore is deployed in specialist application, e.g. a Wah Wah pedal for instance vs the Wah effects in modelling amps, recording - if not choosing to use DAW effects, or in gigging IMO. For home use, the all in the box patcheable digital modeling amp really has rendered the once expensive pedal pragmaticially redundant, especially for the purpose an amp is used for by most beginners through intermediate players frequenting GT. That said, there are exceptions, obviously, and a personal choice not a rule.

Modelling amp vs modelling amp plus an MEprocessor. Factor into that that the latter are at least as expensive as a decent 40W to 50W modelling amp! At least, where I live they are. Starting out on electric, to learn before long one needs an amp, preferably a decent one. One doesn't need a BOSS ME-80. Starting out, I wouldn't like to spend that kind of money on a BOSS MEP unless I knew exactly what the hell I was doing. A single CAD/AU$25 effects pedal OTOH is an entirely more amendable risk if one wants to exercise curiosity.

Hence I think that sophisticated modelling boards or alternatively for that matter multiple pedals and a pedalboard are for later. Why? Expensive is one objection, but that's relative. Mainly in that to effectively use either, they both have quite a challenging learning curve, particularly when as a neophyte one doesn't really understand spring, plate, reverb, chorus, wah etc, let alone when they might be used or how to apply them. The way modelling amps work, and the effects that come included now are more than sufficient to induce overload and distract from the primary objective, learning to play the instrument. Who would need more? Exacerbating that is the fact that most -not all, solid state modelling amps don't take pedals all that well through their SS pre-amp's circuitary, so unless they have an analogue bypass, even with their clean channel selected the signal chain is compromised.

Stuck with the effect voicings as it comes out of the box? Not necessarily. There are two types of modelling effect solid state digital amp. End user firmware patcheable or rewriteable, and end user non-patchable. An example of the former in home practise orientated amps are Blackstar's ID:Core 10/20/40W series and BOSS Katana 50W. Voices in those can either be self-edited and uploaded to share online or to the amp's memory. Or patches uploaded by other members (& BOSS themselves ?) can be downloaded to alter their voicings and sound profiles.

IDK about the Katana, but the ID:Cores don't have a seperate pre-amp bypass circuit, so pedals or any ME processor will be compromised used on them. i.e. I use Joyo ACTONE and American Sound amp pedals to try and replicate certain amp tones, and I know from the hands on experience that the ID:Core's pre-amp circuitary is ultra sensitive to their settings. They work better on my Fender Champion. A simpler but still digital modelling amp like Fender's Champion series isn't end user editible or patchable. But that's good. It keeps it simple and anyone who says they don't have sufficient versatility as they come out of the box is simply pretentious IMV. Especially insofar as any neophyte is going to want for a number of years. But, if one does want to explore or play more with a MEP or pedals, the great part? The Champion has a seperate second line in by-passing the pre-amp, perfect for use with pedals - of which I have 'quite a few' now, or alternatively an ME processor box.

Just clarifying the why of my take, noting yours.