How many years ???

In how many years from the time you start playing guitar...manage to play guitar fluently and really speed?

it depends on the time you spend with the guitar. Could be 2 years, could be never... I have started guitar a year after a friend of mine, and I reached his level in 2 weeks... I also teach people who have been playing longer than me. Speed is quite easy to reach if you know how to get it through exercices.

Can you teach me the through the net?

It depends on both the quantity and quality of the practice you do.I bought my guitar(since this is when I consider myself to have really started playing,although I learnt my first chord way back)in 2000,and although I can play some stuff that impresses some people,I'm sure there are people who got to my level in a lot less time.
It's all upto you.
And since it seems you're looking for a teacher,make sure you get competent instruction.Be sure about it,just like you'd want to be sure about the amp you get for your guitar.
It's important.

Originally posted by sadromanticghost
Can you teach me the through the net?

Well, I do believe that for some things, it's better to have a real guy in front of oneself. We can answer some of your questions, tell you some things, but it's better to be locked in a room with a pro that'll push you farther.

Thanks for reply my friend but i have already a pro infront of me...That what I WANT is more and different advices from these i have been tought from him until now...So can you help me?PLEASE!

help you with what, shoot! :D

well, I've been playing for about 2 years now. But I never really touched my guitar for the first year and a half. So really ive been truly playing for about 6 months. In super into it now. I love guitar!

Took me 4 years but didn't have a band and practice for an hour a day. With time I realised perfection doesn't lie in speed but in feeling. It's great to have speed and anyone who practice hard will get there but feeling comes from within and is harder to master.

I also beleive that you become better faster if you play in a band. There are some things you cannot learn alone.

Play as often as you can with other guitarist.

Originally posted by Benoit

...I also beleive that you become better faster if you play in a band. There are some things you cannot learn alone...

Being with other people kinda forces you to get more disciplined.Coz you're considering them too.And if you're gigging,you need to rehearse together,(opposed to just playing for the sake of playing)which I think means more practice time.And being on a stage,no matter how small,is not the same as being in your basement.Or on the stage in your basement,:)
A band definitely helps.
I'm not in one myself yet,but I've been involved in other theatrical perfomances,by myself and in a group,so I can appreciate this fact.

Playing with a band does SOOOOO much for you. I played for nearly 2 years as a "bedroom guitarist" before joining a band. Then I joined an informal band (we didn't really gig, but we jammed a lot) and I pretty much quit practicing at home. I would only play with the band. My girlfriend of about 1 and 1/2 years then is brutally honest when it comes to my guitar playing (you need someone like that though, to keep your ego beaten down), and she says my guitar playing got better in the 6 months with the band than in the year before that. I thoroughly believe that a 20 minute jam session can spawn more creative ideas than an hour of practice alone.

Being up on stage is so different from anything else. The first time I got up on stage was with my church band, me playing improvised lead guitar. Looking out to 200+ faces will quickly make you think twice about just playing whatever, and you're forced to think about what you're playing. I've played many songs in which I wasn't thinking - letting my fingers dictate the music - and being up on stage totally changes that. The adrenaline pulsing through your veins gets you on some kind of weird high and you really get into the music. RECORD WHAT YOU PLAY THEN! It will either be the best (if you get into the music) or the worst (if you let stage-fright/tension take over) that you'll ever play.

When you don't have it, speed seems like something magical and elusive that will automatically make you an amazing guitarist once you have it.

When you have speed, you realize that it's not magical or elusive at all, and that really it's only the product of hours upon hours of tedious, repetive, muscle building.

The problem I have with speed is that it is so fleeting. You earn it through countless hours of work, but the ratio of how long it takes to earn compared to how fast it takes to lose is insane. I spent months and months on an intensive mission to build speed; and I did. I went away for one week, played off and on a little when i came back for a few days, and lost most of it. I still don't know whether it's worth working to get it back.

I'm a little sour on speed right now (obviously) just because I had it and don't know whether I want it enough to get it back, but don't let me sour you. It's damn fun once you have (if speed has only one virtue, it's that it's FUN!!), and I respect anyone who dedicates enough of themselves to this instrument to get it. But don't let the pursuit for speed consume you, because like I said before, once you have it you realize that it DOESN'T make you more creative.

It's hard work, and if you're up to it all the power to you. If not, that's ok because realistically, who DOES have the necessary 4+ hours a day required to effectively and quickly build speed?

Originally posted by James
once you have it you realize that it DOESN'T make you more creative.

But people tend to notice less since they don't really hear what you play, but more like a borororororororoborobroororororororororororr sound.... :D

who DOES have the necessary 4+ hours a day required to effectively and quickly build speed?

Well, that's why I decided to make music my job, so that the time I spent practicing would be work (dude, isn't this just cool???)

Lalimacefolle, you don't realise how envious I am of you. Being a university student half way through my degree, I'm really just not good enough at my guitar for how old I am, it would take some serious luck for me to be able to commit to try to get money from my music.
When I first started playing the guitar a few years ago, I had dreams of forming some era-defining band that would be a combination of Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Franks Zappa, Bob Dylan, U2, and Pink Floyd. Now, though I would still love that, I realise that simply making enough money playing music/doing other stuff that still leaves me enough time to practise HEAPS would be wonderful also. Challenging, yes, but I can't htink of anything more fulfilling.
All I can say to you is, savour every day that your guitar is your work, because there are thousands of people who would quite happily replace you as soon as you stopped enjoying it!

Bardsley,I'm in University too,majoring in physics.This is my third year that is ending next week,tho' I'm supposed to be a fourth year,but that's another story.
I'd like to talk to someone like your self about this whole education thing.Can I e-mail you?
Or would it be better to start a thread,and maybe other guys can say stuff?

Originally posted by Bardsley
All I can say to you is, savour every day that your guitar is your work, because there are thousands of people who would quite happily replace you as soon as you stopped enjoying it!

I still pray everyday on my way to work, to thank God for this things.
I just got home from my adults one on one guitar classes, my girlfriend has cooked me a good meal (she works at night, so she isn't here, sad, but more time to practice...) And I'll be on holidays for 2 months starting june 29th...
Do you think I can wipe the smile off my face?

Do you think I can wash the envy off my soul :)

*Sigh*
Deep breath.

I was going to post this as a new topic but it fits well here....when I play infront of other people I freeze up. I doubt thats due to nerves, I play three other instruments and have been doing stage performances since I was 10 years old (although i was never a kid prodigy but still....)....it's because with the guitar I've never played the kind of music i play in my bedroom in a band. As soon as I'm infront of one of my friends I think 'Okay i'm perfectly relaxed about playing, but what the hell do i play??' If someone asks me to play the most flashy and impressive thing i can, I play one song, then later I go home to my room and play and think 'why didnt i play that song instead? or play as well as this earlier?'

I often improvise when hopelessly lost like that but it often descends into mess and my technique and sound go to hell. This happens to a worse extent if I'm not playing my own guitar.....does anyone else get this problem? I've always been jealous of my teacher who could pick up any guitar and sound great. Sometimes he would even say 'that guitar is a real piece of ****' having just copied a Jimmy Page solo on it!

Welcome to the club, I can't really play on other guitars. I would say out of 20 guitars I've played, I was confortable with only one of them.

About freezing infront of people, do like I do. Build yourself a good solo, or just some good tricks one after another. I always practice one "show-off" solo for those occasions. Most of the people that will ask you this are non-guitarist or beginners that are waiting for the chance to say they play better than you do.

I've never been asked by a experienced guitarist to show them my best lick. They just ask to jam along and judge you on more important things. Most of them also know that they can learn something new from another guitarist since nobody plays the same.