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R. Shackleferd
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10/26/2005 10:32 pm
Yep, I declined joining an initial attempt at a band with a real good friend (drummer) because of another guitar player he recruited had that attitude of bragging and the mentality of "better than". I met and jammed with them once, and I could tell it wasn't going to work. He told stories of how he could blow this guy or that guy away, or whatever. Sure he could play lickety split fast, but they weren't his licks, and he didn't have any "soul". I only smiled when he asked me how I got my guitar to sound like that?
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10/26/2005 11:03 pm
Originally Posted by: R. ShackleferdYep, I declined joining an initial attempt at a band with a real good friend (drummer) because of another guitar player he recruited had that attitude of bragging and the mentality of "better than". I met and jammed with them once, and I could tell it wasn't going to work. He told stories of how he could blow this guy or that guy away, or whatever. Sure he could play lickety split fast, but they weren't his licks, and he didn't have any "soul". I only smiled when he asked me how I got my guitar to sound like that?

And as far as my opinion is concerned, that's all that should be done when someone like that asks.
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10/26/2005 11:09 pm
Originally Posted by: WilldridgeYes, yes and yes...I absolutely agree with your statements on Joe. I think he, as is Steve Vai and Eric Johnson, et al, are always striving to be better - and I think what set's them apart from other virtuoso's is that they know there's thing's they don't know...(did that come out right? Think I lost myself there!).

To pick up on your Yngwie statement - I can't deny that he can play...but from a personal perspective, when I listen to his albums, all they make me do is want to play more accurately - they don't inspire me to write or play "music". Joe's, Steve's and Eric's, (along with many other's) however do - and I know a lot of non-guitar player's who enjoy their music because of this. I don't think Yngwie "sucks" as such, I just feel that you hear a Malmsteen solo...then you hear it again on another track...and the next, and the next and - well, you get my point...the notes may be different, but the content's much the same.



Exactly, my point about Yngwie. While I can't deny his greatness at what he does, the guy has thought that he was soooo great for so long that he hasn't grown any. I don't hear any growth in his playing since Rising Force (which I still find brilliant). Yngwie exudes the attitude "I am so great, it must be true because I said so" and therefore doesn't see the need to progress, which only traps him....like spinning your tires to prove how great your car is, it doesn't get you to a new destination, rather you just stay in one place blowing smoke.

I'm sure if he ever wrote a biography the title would have to be "Yngwie J. Malmsteen - A legend in my mind"
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10/26/2005 11:16 pm
Originally Posted by: 3fingeredbluesI'm sure if he ever wrote a biography the title would have to be "Yngwie J. Malmsteen - A legend in my mind"


lmfao - y'know, you're probably not so far off the mark. What's the quote? "If his p***s was as big as his ego he'd need three legged trousers" ?...(sure I'm paraphrasing there, but hey - artistic licence and all that).

And I agree about the lack of growth - he's not had the staying power of other "great's" from the same era. Rising Force is great, for what it is. I have it, I listen to it occasionally, but since owning it I've never felt the need to buy any of his other albums...yet I always keep an eye out for Satch and Vai...

To the fans - I'm not knocking Malmsteen, it's just I've grown out of the effect his playing had on me.
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10/26/2005 11:22 pm
Hey Willdridge have you read what you wrote on this thread three years ago?
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10/26/2005 11:27 pm
I think so, unless you're pointing something else out...was that when I was in search of "Riot In The Dungeon" tabs?...

If so...

Originally Posted by: WilldridgeTo the fans - I'm not knocking Malmsteen, it's just I've grown out of the effect his playing had on me.


If it's something else, then no, you'll have to point me in the right direction...
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10/26/2005 11:30 pm
Originally Posted by: WilldridgeExactly!

I know I'm not the greatest/fastest/most emotional/etc. player in the world. I'll admit it's my goal, but it's something I'm very unlikely to be able to achieve. Ultimately, I want to be able to play whatever I want as well as I can. At the moment, I think I can hold my own against most advanced guitarist, but I'm nothing special.
I think there's always too much emphasis on trying to be better than everyone else though. I treat better guitarists as an oppurtunity to learn something new and expand my playing. It also gives you that inspiration (the firm kick up the backside) to raise your standard and improve yourself...
Just my two pennies worth...

Here's your first post on this thread sometime in 2002. Go back and skim thru the entire thread you said some crazy things.
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10/26/2005 11:37 pm
Originally Posted by: magicninjaHere's your first post on this thread sometime in 2002. Go back and skim thru the entire thread you said some crazy things.


That's probably very true...let's see 2002...I would've been, what 17?...I was young, opinionated and largely misguided...

I hope I'm a little a wiser now - all I say is that if I knew then what I know now, there's an awful lot of stuff I wouldn't've done or said. I'll look back on this in three years time and think exactly the same, I've no doubt.

Ah, damn the internet and it's record of my stupidity!... ;)
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10/26/2005 11:39 pm
Were'nt we all?
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10/26/2005 11:41 pm
Originally Posted by: magicninjaHere's your first post on this thread sometime in 2002. Go back and skim thru the entire thread you said some crazy things.


I thought that was a good quote you just supplied from Willdridge, MAgicNinja...

It supports the theory that never being satisfied is what continues the desire to grow. Where's the craziness in that?
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10/26/2005 11:41 pm
There's a hell of a lot of threads to go through y'know...you're gonna have to help me out here and point out the particularly ridiculous ones....

Addition:

There were some pretty trippy thread's back then, weren't there?...(most not my doing I'd like to add!!!) Feel quite nostalgic now actually...those were the day's...oh, to be young, nieve and misguided again!!!
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10/26/2005 11:44 pm
Originally Posted by: WilldridgeI guess there's a thin line between being confident about your talent and being cocky.
Modesty's not something that's natural to many people it seems...I guess my princible is to "shut up and play yer geetar..."
Wise words from a wise (if not excentric) man...:s


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10/26/2005 11:47 pm
We,ve added five new pages to this "dead thread". How wonderful.
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10/26/2005 11:47 pm
Originally Posted by: magicninjaHere's one before you learned to spell


Yea, you'll have to excuse my spilling miscakes...I still blame these damn stupid fingers! :p

But, I feel vidicated reading through some of those old posts...I raised some valid points...well, I'm sure I raised one, somewhere, once, at least...
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10/26/2005 11:48 pm
Originally Posted by: magicninjaHow many people here are truly big headed and like to think they are the best? How many want to be the best and try without being a total jerk about it? How many people here can jam with somebody who is better them and admit it to them and try to learn something. I find a lot of people claiming this and saying that. I posted almost all of one of my songs because I wanted to know what people thought not because I wanted to show off. So what is your playing mentality do you want to learn all you can or do you just want to say your the best no arguements and thats final? I hope to get a good thread going on this subject because its such a hot topic. I know what we all write about other people but what do you think of yourself?


Ok for those who lost sight of the Question. Or new posts who need a place to start.
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10/27/2005 12:13 am
Originally Posted by: magicninjaWe,ve added five new pages to this "dead thread". How wonderful.



It may have been a "dead thread", but is still a valid point of conversation.
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10/27/2005 12:15 am
That is exactly why I brought it back when I found it. It'll probably die off again in a week or two or maybe not. If it does in three years I'll bring it back to see where people stand then.
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10/27/2005 2:13 am
Originally Posted by: WilldridgeJoe's been one of my all time hero's on guitar - and seeing this lesson made me realise, like you say, they are just human. What you never get to see is the hour's upon hour's of practice they've put in to be able to play the way they do. I'm a firm believer that if you're prepared to put the effort in, you'll get the reward.

It comes easier to some than others, but that doesn't make them better, it just mean's they've got a natural talent. Someone said on another post "nobody's born with a guitar"...wiser word's were never spoken if you ask me.

I'd missed this one earlier and wanted to contribute more thoughts to this topic. That being said... Natural talent is just the tendancy to do things correctly. However the difference between the gifted and the well read is a debate that I care not to delve into, but in the end either way it doesn't really matter. Just so long as the music doesn't suck, that's all I really care about.
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10/27/2005 8:03 am
well i know I suck, although I practise heaps i know i suck and i can admitt quite openly that others are way better then me and i agree that saying you're as good as or better then someone is only a matter of your own opinion.....LV Sheree XOXOXO
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10/27/2005 4:02 pm
There've been some threads that have more so gone into extended hibernation rather than just kicking the bucket. Most threads, good or not, just don't have the motivational "umph" to get things going, but every so often you'll find a thread like this that can get everyone interested. Like the Yep thread for example. Who couldn't relate to that?
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