Speed picking help

Sorry man but that's not possible. Michael Angelo doesnt even play that fast, the only guitarists anywhere near that speed are Rusty Cooley or Francesco Farerri and they certainly don't hit 300 for 16ths, more like 265bpm. Recalculate those notes or post and video and contact the Guinness Book Of Records!

actually, i even play it over the guitar pro playing that thing... im not trying to impress you, but i believe in my speed and my technique, and anyway, there are persons who have saw me play this thing, and maybe you can think is impossible playing that, but let me tell you that i can play it between 200 and 240 with no problem, and i bet u can´t even get the 190....


You make me doubt for a moment, but yesterday i saw petrucci's DVD, and its exactly the same way i play it....

Originally Posted by: Soul_Vactually, i even play it over the guitar pro playing that thing... im not trying to impress you, but i believe in my speed and my technique, and anyway, there are persons who have saw me play this thing, and maybe you can think is impossible playing that, but let me tell you that i can play it between 200 and 240 with no problem, and i bet u can´t even get the 190....


You make me doubt for a moment, but yesterday i saw petrucci's DVD, and its exactly the same way i play it....

yesterday u said u can play it at 300 now today u can play between 200 and 240? and if u can play it then its cool.. its not a question of if im impressed or anyone else for that matter.. its a question of I dont believe anyone can play 300bpm 16th notes so its nothing personal.. and now u are doubting my or other people who replyd to u saying that u can do this speed? I know how fast I can play I dont need to post it up for u or anyone else for that matter its not a competition.. my proof is in my music which is what its all about.. :D

Originally Posted by: silentmusicyesterday u said u can play it at 300 now today u can play between 200 and 240? and if u can play it then its cool.. its not a question of if im impressed or anyone else for that matter.. its a question of i dont believe anyone can play 300bpm 16th notes so its nothing personal..

it wasnt a message for you man, sorry anyway... but what i mean is that i can play it between 200 and 240 without any problem and i bet superhuman that he can´t play it at 190

Originally Posted by: Soul_Vit wasnt a message for you man, sorry anyway... but what i mean is that i can play it between 200 and 240 without any problem and i bet superhuman that he can´t play it at 190

If u can play that speed thats very cool im not doubting that at all :) actualy superhuman can u should hear that guy he is wicked.. :D

Just out of interest I tried a little experiment and set up Cubase with the metronome at 300 bpm and recorded the following exercise pattern (it's not musical but helps to count notes per meter):

Fingering:1234
Root Fret:12
-----------------------------------------------------------1234321
-----------------------1234321------------------------1234-------etc.
----1234321-------1234-------4321----------------1234
1234-------4321234---------------4321--------1234
---------------------------------------4321234

The fastest I could get with accuracy is 12 notes per beat, bearing in mind that the above is a basic exercise and not a complicated run or full scale. It may well be possible to hit 16ths on this particular pattern but I can't see it being possible in regular playing. My point being, it's easy when you are using the same shape up and down but when you start throwing in different patterns on diagonal sweeps of the fretboard (required with four note per string progressions) it becomes impossible. The right hand can only strum so fast and the left hand will find difficulty with changing finger shapes.

Originally Posted by: SuperhumanJust out of interest I tried a little experiment and set up Cubase with the metronome at 300 bpm and recorded the following exercise pattern (it's not musical but helps to count notes per meter):

Fingering:1234
Root Fret:12
-----------------------------------------------------------1234321
-----------------------1234321------------------------1234-------etc.
----1234321-------1234-------4321----------------1234
1234-------4321234---------------4321--------1234
---------------------------------------4321234

The fastest I could get with accuracy is 12 notes per beat, bearing in mind that the above is a basic exercise and not a complicated run or full scale. It may well be possible to hit 16ths on this particular pattern but I can't see it being possible in regular playing. My point being, it's easy when you are using the same shape up and down but when you start throwing in different patterns on diagonal sweeps of the fretboard (required with four note per string progressions) it becomes impossible. The right hand can only strum so fast and the left hand will find difficulty with changing finger shapes.

Exactly!! :cool:

We got ourselves a throwdown brewin' here!

Originally Posted by: LeedoggWe got ourselves a throwdown brewin' here!

count me in :p na joking aside its not a competition I still think its a missundertsanding :rolleyes:

Problem solved! At 300 bpm at 4/4 time, the inflection is on the first beat of each bar of 4 shorter clicks. The true speed is therefor not 12 notes per beat, that IS impossible, it is 12 notes per second. I just set the motronome to 60 bpm and played the same run a few times. I actually got it to 16 for one full bar after a minute or so. That explains everything, its just the maths of it, there is no way anyone can play 16 notes between each blip on 300. Try it again set at 60 and just count the number of notes between each beat, that's the most simple way. I did a little reading and discovered that Michale Angelo has achieved 22 nps, now that's impressive!

Still though it's an interesting way of increasing speed.

Also, at 300 bpm at 4/4 time, this is divisible by 60 (4 x 60 secs), easy to make a mistake.

BTW I just read about this chump who claims to play 80 nps and while melting his pectrum... now that's a joke!

Originally Posted by: SuperhumanAlso, at 300 bpm at 4/4 time, this is divisible by 60 (4 x 60 secs), easy to make a mistake.

BTW I just read about this chump who claims to play 80 nps and while melting his pectrum... now that's a joke!

80nps? damn thats so slow lol :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by: CW14Soul_V claimed to be playing at 300bpm with 16th notes (4 notes per click), not 16 notes per click

And yeah that guy who claimed to have played at 80nps is both full of &^%* and is quite far up his own ass.

but also playing 16th beats in 300 bpm is quite fast, 20 nps

but playing 80nps is impossible for a human being!!!!!

Originally Posted by: SuperhumanSorry man but that's not possible. Michael Angelo doesnt even play that fast, the only guitarists anywhere near that speed are Rusty Cooley or Francesco Farerri and they certainly don't hit 300 for 16ths, more like 265bpm. Recalculate those notes or post and video and contact the Guinness Book Of Records!

I agree , 300 bpm at 4/4 time with 16th notes, which is 4 notes per click....it really depends on the songs beat, but thats approximately 20 notes per second average !!, and doing it for the rest of the song is physically IMPOSSIBLE. It requires unbelievable endurance and dexterity to maintain playing at that speed.

Even the " Speedkills " by Michael Angelo has an average tempo of 140 Bpm, Imagine playing it twice as fast without rest. Now picture that. Rusty Cooley does about 210 on his fastest solo which is "the Butcher " while Francesco Fareri does about 225 (powertab) on his fastest clip but its unclean and crappy with lots of distortion. Maybe the cleanest he can do at 180 to 220 at 16th notes full speed with tapping.

Oh by the way, that guy who claimed he can play 80 Notes per second and his plectrum melts is ANDY VAN HATCHER....It's a ridiculous joke, I wonder why some people like him blatantly make a fool out of himself, thinking he can decieve and impress other people, by creating incredible but baseless claims posted over the internet. He's just a frustrated speedfreak wannabe with an ego the human brain can simply not even begin to comprehend something of its size as Akira pointed out.

Originally Posted by: FretfireI agree , 300 bpm at 4/4 time with 16th notes, which is 4 notes per click....it really depends on the songs beat, but thats approximately 20 notes per second average !!, and doing it for the rest of the song is physically IMPOSSIBLE. It requires unbelievable endurance and dexterity to maintain playing at that speed.

Even the " Speedkills " by Michael Angelo has an average tempo of 140 Bpm, Imagine playing it twice as fast without rest. Now picture that. Rusty Cooley does about 210 on his fastest solo which is "the Butcher " while Francesco Fareri does about 225 (powertab) on his fastest clip but its unclean and crappy with lots of distortion. Maybe the cleanest he can do at 180 to 220 at 16th notes full speed with tapping.

Oh by the way, that guy who claimed he can play 80 Notes per second and his plectrum melts is ANDY VAN HATCHER....It's a ridiculous joke, I wonder why some people like him blatantly make a fool out of himself, thinking he can decieve and impress other people, by creating incredible but baseless claims posted over the internet. He's just a frustrated speedfreak wannabe with an ego the human brain can simply not even begin to comprehend something of its size as Akira pointed out.

Im agree with you man, any human being can play that!!!!