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manXcat
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02/25/2018 8:53 am

Well done wildwoman1313! A 6 year old thread with recent replies. Laughed at the comment "Vampire thread that won't die".

Excellent thread starter post. Dented a few egos since I'll bet. Such is truth.

One of the best retorts I've heard to date to the guitar status snob came from a guy in his You Tube vid where he was playing a Squier Affinity Tele unpretentiously with a deal of demonstrated competence most here would envy just enjoying himself and sharing it with us.

In response to an intended deprecatory comment, he ever so politely and honestly replied, "I don't care about vintage this or vintage that or the whole game about guitars..I just play whether it was made on the Moon or cost $10 makes no difference, as long as it has six strings and is in tune I can make anything sound pretty good to my ear.", and finished by thanking the deprecator for his comment.

Style.

Because rather than the cost+margin of yore, so many things today are priced on demand gouge resistance point driven by a variety of things usually more to do with label status and marketing cool than outright quality, it's a chlallenge for the average guitarist let alone beginner to determine if a guitar's price point can be performance validated.

Unless one is a methaphorical zillionaire, in which case do indulge and let the starving children of the world look on, IMV I think there's a median suited to specific purpose both in price and component quality, especially pertinent to the amateur playing for their own personal enjoyment at home.

I couldn't afford or justify to myself an American built Fender Strat or Tele right now. More importantly, I don't need, or yet, lust after one. I'm not disparaging the brand or quality of their high end instruments. Just being honest with and true to myself.

And I kinda' like tinkering with my guitars too, which is part of the learning curve.

For instance as a second guitar, I bought a Yamaha PAC311H instead of a PAC611H not on price alone, although the PAC611 is still in the very (and my) affordable bracket, but because of the preferred aesthetic, design features, tone (of the 611, more on this in a moment) knowing that would meet my skill level and needs now yet offered upgradeability on a budget in the short to medium term future.

Hardware wise, they both have Alder bodies, the 311's painted in Vintage White which I favoured over the Quilted/Flamed Maple laminate surface of the 611. Neck profile, rosewood fingerboard, string width, frets and nut width are identical on both. I preferred the 311's plain silky satin neck both for functionality and aesthetics over the 611's varnished. They both have a Graphtech nut and Grover locking tuners, Graphtech headstock string guides and the same trussrod adjustment protocols.

The significant performance influencing differences are the 611's bridge has Graphtech stringsaver saddles over the conventional chromed steel of the 311, but importantly and here's the name brand price kicker, Seymour Duncan PUPs (P90 & TB-14 Trembucker) vs the 311's Korean G&Bs ' equivalents. Electronics under the bonnet otherwise are identical.

The 311's G&B P90 as fitted is actually is pretty darned impressive, a very close match for the SD P90 albeit with the G&B's treble when playing above the 12th fret marginally diminished. But you'd have to have Superman's ears so as to notice it in the mix.

The G&B humbucker OTOH is a bad match with the G&B neck P90, and compared with the SD TB-14 it is, ...underwhelming would be understatement. No problem.

Plan A was always out with the soldering iron, drop USD$79 on a SD TB-14 Trembucker for the bridge to give the 311H pretty much identical tones to the 611 getting the aesthetic and feel I wanted along with a couple of hundred dollars left in my pocket into the bargain, which although it wasn't the primary objective is a nice pickup for further GAS. Change left after buying the TB-14 for it paid for my Joyo pedalboard (quality Pedaltrain 2 Classic clone) and NUX Loop Core (Boss RC-3 clone) digital looper. If the 611 had been available in Vintage White, I probably would have just bought it instead, but the 311 serves the learning curve and I find the learning in upgrading through modifying very enjoyable. Not sure if I'll switch out the saddles for Graphtech yet. I'll see how it sounds first.

Anyway, just wanted to relate my experience in how I think a balance of spend, tone, aesthetic finish, feel, build quality and performance can all be achieved without needing to break the bank, whilst having a lot of fun doing so into the bargain. When it comes to my playing justifying something in the same vein but notably tone and quality improved over my PAC112V, not sure if I'll mod it with Grover tuners & Graphtech nut or just keep it as is as a beater and upgrade with a 612V. Probably the latter. I'll cross that tone and style bridge when I come to it.

Ain't it all fun!