Hi Bardsley many thanks for the response. As a fraudster trying to learn the guitar without learning to actually read and fully understand musical notation I dont understand your instructions. Im trying to bash out tunes with the aid of chord diagrams and listening to the songs.Im trying to teach myself do you think this a wise thing to do? Its great that so many people are willing to share advice through this forum. I think when learning this way its difficult to know where to aim for in terms of difficulty. Thanks again,Court and Spark.(lordathestrings, is there a better singer/songwriter than Joni?)