Thx guys and i,m still baffled no C and F,just shows how much i know about the guitar in that i hadn,t got past noticing there was no C to even notice there is no F but i will set aside a period each day to check out this site and see how i get on as a beginner.My main reason to learn the guitar is i want to get my grandson interested in music and guitar seems more appealing to the young un than keyboard,either way there,s a lot of time and effort involved to make any steady quick progress.Any advice from fellow beginners on which way to start learning guitar from scratch at this site will be welcome as it is obviously a very large site.Do i just take up the free beginner lessons until they run out and then fully enrol on site to move on from there with learning.I haven,t even checked out the free beginners tutorial lessons yet but do you reckon they will fill me in here as to how i,m baffled now that there are no C and F on a fret board /as to a keyboard which i,m more familiar with and how one gets around that to play C and F.