Very similar to dvenetians... start this with one hand, then when you've got it use both at the same time. I think I actually learned this from someone on this forum. Place you four fingers, thumb excluded on a surface of some sort. Then raise your pointer finger and ring finger together, then set them down and raise the other two fingers together. Keep doing this and after a few minutes you'll be able to do it pretty fast. Then do it with both hands at once. Hope I explained it well enough. :rolleyes: