I have to agree about the 13 yr old in bands thing. I myself am only 15, and yes, i am in a band. hwever, we do not model ourselves on nirvana or any of this pop punk crap. We pride ourselves on having acctual talent, and using it. We are doing our best to mix neoclassical suff like muse with intelligent punk and classic metal (including solos), putting ouslves a cut above the rest. since we started our band 1 1/2 yrs ago, about ten other new bands have sprung up at our school, all doing the same talentless stuff as each other, and not even writing their own songs, but claiming to be better than us! this is people who only started plaing becaus they thought it would be col to be in a band, whereas we had already been playing for a long time in orchestras and having lessons for ages. we had already proven we had talent, and only took on board others who had done the same. This is how it should be, but sod's law is that we'll probably split up to go to uni's and one of these upstarters will get famous. Such is the commercial world of music.