death lingers

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsPerhaps the original statement would've been best kept as a metaphorical statement. If someone is born incapable of talking then they're unable to receive everything that is possible in life. However, that doesn't mean you haven't lived. What means you've lived is what you've gotten out of life for yourself.

well there was a case study of this girl who was born blind and unable to speak...she was able to get a phd... sadly she died soon after... cant recall her name..it was quite some time ago..

fear of the unknown...yeah...when i was in that train..i had no clue wat the guy was intending to do...he was suspicious... he could be doing anything...he could be just sad about his life therefore he's giving a speech to everyone just to express himself... but it was because he had a middle eastern appearance...i correlated him to being a potential terrorist..which is horrible..i never thought i was such a person... to judge by appearances...i was against that...but after that i realised i wasnt cut out for what i thought id be...at all...i felt like crap...part of me thought that it could be just a mere coincidence that a middle eastern guy was talking about God and his wife...but i wasnt really paying attention to what he said before as i was listening to my ipod...i listened in hlfway...at the point he went ... 'we all live for God...therefore we must cherish Him...'

how can i not freak out?

Originally Posted by: jeffhxwell there was a case study of this girl who was born blind and unable to speak...she was able to get a phd... sadly she died soon after... cant recall her name..it was quite some time ago..[/QUOTE]Helen Keller?

[QUOTE=jeffhx]...i correlated him to being a potential terrorist..which is horrible..i never thought i was such a person... to judge by appearances...i was against that...but after that i realised i wasnt cut out for what i thought id be...at all...i felt like crap...

Don't let political correctness make you willfully blind to what your instincts are trying to tell you. You can't assume that one person who seems to fit a pattern must therefore be dangerous, but it would be extremely foolish to ignore the possibility just because some people think it would be "nice" to do so.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsSo, what happens after you've gone past the limits of your imagination? Do you get a new limit?

hehe, that's a good one, and yeah you get a new limit, there's always a limit

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsPerhaps the original statement would've been best kept as a metaphorical statement. If someone is born incapable of talking then they're unable to receive everything that is possible in life. However, that doesn't mean you haven't lived. What means you've lived is what you've gotten out of life for yourself.

Here's something I've thought about often: If you are born without any of your 5 senses, are you living at all? The world you live in would be absolute nothingness, and you'd know nothing else.

Mind you, if you were born without any of the 5 senses, I don't think you'd make it very long. Still, it's something to think about.

Originally Posted by: earthman buckHere's something I've thought about often: If you are born without any of your 5 senses, are you living at all? The world you live in would be absolute nothingness, and you'd know nothing else.[/QUOTE]
By the basic characteristics that determine "living" yes you would. Things like the need to eat, breathe, procreate and what have you. In that respect you're alive, but if you didn't have any of the 5 senses, then it'd be a pointless life.
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Mind you, if you were born without any of the 5 senses, I don't think you'd make it very long. Still, it's something to think about.

What the crap? Correct me if I've misunderstood, but are you saying that if someone is missing any one of the 5 senses, then their life is going to be shorter or less profitable. In which case Ray Charles is the first one that comes to mind.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsBy the basic characteristics that determine "living" yes you would. Things like the need to eat, breathe, procreate and what have you. In that respect you're alive, but if you didn't have any of the 5 senses, then it'd be a pointless life.

What the crap? Correct me if I've misunderstood, but are you saying that if someone is missing any one of the 5 senses, then their life is going to be shorter or less profitable. In which case Ray Charles is the first one that comes to mind.

No, I meant missing all of the five senses. For example, how can a baby feed on breastmilk if it doesn't have the sense of touch to know when the nipple is touching its mouth?

I mean, obviously you can be missing some of the senses and still be alright. Look at Tommy. That deaf, dumb, and blind sure played a mean pinball.

Originally Posted by: earthman buckNo, I meant missing all of the five senses. For example, how can a baby feed on breastmilk if it doesn't have the sense of touch to know when the nipple is touching its mouth?

Oh, ok. I did misunderstand. I thought you were taking a different approach to it. Yeah, I doubt it'd be a very long existence. Think it'd be more humane to just put them to death? I mean, they won't feel it. Currently they're just a body laying around and shaking. There's no way they could learn anything.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsOh, ok. I did misunderstand. I thought you were taking a different approach to it. Yeah, I doubt it'd be a very long existence. Think it'd be more humane to just put them to death? I mean, they won't feel it. Currently they're just a body laying around and shaking. There's no way they could learn anything.

Nah. If they can't feel anything anyway, they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between life and death. They wouldn't even feel dying. I guess it might be more humane for the parents, because who wants to watch their newborn child die slowly?

This conversation is giving me the willies.

Originally Posted by: earthman buckNah. If they can't feel anything anyway, they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between life and death. They wouldn't even feel dying. I guess it might be more humane for the parents, because who wants to watch their newborn child die slowly?

This conversatin is giving me the willies.

Here's a branch off of the original. What if they were born with only one of the five senses? At this point my mind has been rushed with so many examples for each scenario. Think about what it'd be like for each one. That'd be super weird.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsHere's a branch off of the original. What if they were born with only one of the five senses? At this point my mind has been rushed with so many examples for each scenario. Think about what it'd be like for each one. That'd be super weird.

Yeah, but with any one of the senses, learning is possible. Well......maybe not taste or smell. And I guess it'd be ridiculously hard with just touch, but Helen Keller did it.

Whoa! Think of being born with only the sense of taste! That's like, A+ horror story material. Your whole world is based on tasting things......

Think of the possibilities!

i believe the meaning of life is to gain complete understanding and knowledge of everything.

only then will there be no point of life. you live to gain knowledge. if you can't learn anymore, then there's no point to live. we learn to play guitar we learn to play good songs we learn how to change the world. the fun part of life is the learning. if you already know then you get bored with it.

like money. the fun part about money is the gaining. if you're rich, like celebrities are, then money's boring. you can get anything you want, even the most expensive things are boring to you because you got them seemingly free.

I'm sure a new guitar would mean alot more to you if you worked for that guitar than if you just got it free from somebody.

i believe there are many things to be explored that our senses are blocking out. blind-born people see things in their essense. they have never seen anything. have you ever wondered what their dreams are made of? they have no images to base their ideas off. they see the world in a completely different way. i know how hard it is to explain what the color red is to somebody who never saw color before.

just yesterday i was at school and this blind boy was walking with a walking stick and he hit my leg with his stick. that was probably the first time i saw a blind person in real life, and he was 1 centimeter away from me, but in his mind, he's miles away from me. if i wasn't talking to my friends he probably wouldn't have known i was there. it's like living with your eyes closed. but they probably have solved mysteries that normal full-sensed humans can't comprehend because the sense of sight is blocking it. the sense of sight is limiting our imagination.

for instance whenever i'm trying to draw something thats printed on a paper, i find it alot easier to draw it when i have not seen the drawing before and when the drawing is upside down. thats because we put words or ideas with shapes and objects that block our normal way of thinking. like whenever people are drawing an eye while looking at one, they think "eye" so they already have a registered image of an "eye" somewhere in the brain and when they draw it, they can't copy what they're seeing because they have a registered shape and symbol for the eye and thats why its so hard for some people to draw realistically. i bet if the world was upside down, now because we already inderstand how the world works the right side up(enough anyway), then we probably would think and see things in new ways if the world was upside down, and solve problems that seemed unsolvable the normal way the earth was.

Originally Posted by: earthman buckYeah, but with any one of the senses, learning is possible. Well......maybe not taste or smell. And I guess it'd be ridiculously hard with just touch, but Helen Keller did it.

helen keller also had the sense of smell and taste along with the touch.

i think the hardest to live with would be the sense of touch.

you can't smell, you can't see, you can't hear, you can't taste, all you can do is touch and feel pain. at least you still have emotion. life would be weird without emotion. you can't even call it boring because bored is an emotion.

is it biologically possible? i mean perhaps it is... but to be born with only one sense...i just think the odds are too high...

Originally Posted by: jeffhxis it biologically possible? i mean perhaps it is... but to be born with only one sense...i just think the odds are too high...

I think you mean low.

Originally Posted by: jeffhxis it biologically possible? i mean perhaps it is... but to be born with only one sense...i just think the odds are too high...

Speaking of probabilities. I've always wondered if it was possible for a woman to be born allergic to sperm.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsSpeaking of probabilities. I've always wondered if it was possible for a woman to be born allergic to sperm.

thats almost the same, if you look it at one point of view, as a sterile female. or a female who's egg is defective.

that sucks almost as bad as being allergic to water. yet somebody is allelrgic to water. i forgot her name.

right i meant the ods are too low...typo...

was it the girl that cant touch water? if she did it would sting her skin..i remember watching someone like that on tv..

I was just going to say the same thing...our bodies are comprised of so much water....mabey she was allergic to something in the water?Flouride,sulfur,chlorine,led or other metals?

If it were possible to be allergic to vital components and pre-requisites for life(water,sperm,light e.c.t)I think only a minor reaction would take place like getting a couple blemishes or something.

Originally Posted by: PonyOnei'm not 100% sure about this but i think it's nearly impossible to be allergic to water as our bodies are mostly comprised of water... that would imply being allergic to oneself which i don't think is possible. this would also be the case in terms of being allergic to sperm.

maybe the Doc knows some more about this...

her skin is allergic to it. she can drink it and stuff, just can't touch it.
whenever she takes a bath it takes her about 2 hours because she can only be in the water for about 30 seconds at a time then she has to dry up real fast.

Originally Posted by: pureher skin is allergic to it. she can drink it and stuff, just can't touch it.
whenever she takes a bath it takes her about 2 hours because she can only be in the water for about 30 seconds at a time then she has to dry up real fast.

Ok, that would suck. Imagine how early you'd have to get up just to shower before work.