augmented 2nd??

I really don't care much for theory myself. It's just I'm about out of options for learning techniques so I guess I can just learn to apply them better.

ei jolly what's a Ger6 chord?? heheE i guess i have a long way to go... :D

Originally Posted by: joelardzei jolly what's a Ger6 chord?? heheE i guess i have a long way to go... :D

It's one of the three augmented six chords. It's an alternative way of leading to V, but we'll cover that later.

ok, thanks.

Originally Posted by: rightturnonlythere is no augmented 2nd . there is only the 2nd,the sus2nd & the minor third, a sus. 2nd would be enharmonic with a (flated2nd.This way we can have a (sus2nd) & a (9th) of course the ninth comes after the seventh. The (sus2nd) is enharmonic with the (9th) only difference is the sus2 comes before the 7th is added. OR an octave appart :) I've been told that I'm wrong ,this maybe true. I made acouple of adjustments. the reason I belive this to be true is that I have seen chords with a (sus2) & chords with a (mi3). soi base my opinion on that . The sataement "there is no aug2" is proably too restrictive.

Yeah...totally wrong!

Originally Posted by: joelardzif E to G is minor 3rd then what's the augmented 2nd??

try this zento.com/guitar/theory > free Music Theory for experienced musician, u can find it using a google search . click Intervals.> check it out especially the last paragraph. :)

I don't find it hard to understand why people are kicking this business about the Aug 2nd around . Before we all beat it to death. lets do ourselfself a favor and do a Google search for "Free music theory lessons for experienced musicians", don't let the word experienced scare any beginners off. There you will find a very easy to understand lesson called Intervals. The type is large, it is easy to understand, and you will be enlightened. Be sure to read the last paragraph since it will explain why there are so many different view points on this subject. Trust me people this site is right on & EASY to understand. also it is brief and concise. No fancy language or embilishments there. I would'nt steer you wrong to prove a point . This needs to be understood. I don't like to see so much time spent on such a simple piece of theory. Read it and move on. I took Music theory in 1972 in a Jr. college and we didn't spend more than a few minutes on this. For all those who say I'm wrong maybe you will take this man's word. :)

That site, at least the intervals part that I read, has aspects I like and aspects I dislike. I like that it's easy to understand. I dislike that he says "no one flatted the 2nd" and that kind of thing, because they did.

Originally Posted by: joelardzif E to G is minor 3rd then what's the augmented 2nd??

E TO F## :)

Howdy, im new here.. hooray for me!

Anyway, the aug 2 is what they term the interval between the 6th and the raised 7 in your harmonic minor scale. For instance, in the last post, they mentioned E to F## ... which is the same ( basically ) as G, right? In this case, the scale would be G# Harmonic minor ... G# A# B C# D# E F## G#. in 'proper' theory practice , you have to use each letter , alphabetically... so you cant say ' E G G#'... Yeah, i know , its a bit anal but , its ALSO reallly old theory.

Mike

Originally Posted by: StrausbaughHowdy, im new here.. hooray for me!

Anyway, the aug 2 is what they term the interval between the 6th and the raised 7 in your harmonic minor scale. For instance, in the last post, they mentioned E to F## ... which is the same ( basically ) as G, right? In this case, the scale would be G# Harmonic minor ... G# A# B C# D# E F## G#. in 'proper' theory practice , you have to use each letter , alphabetically... so you cant say ' E G G#'... Yeah, i know , its a bit anal but , its ALSO reallly old theory.

Mike

Hooray for you, indeed, Mike. That's correct (but don't call it anal, pleeaaase!). Remember that some of the most clever composers have used the note names to help give solidify their piece's meaning. Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, for instance, relies on enharmonic notes to create an atmosphere where things are nearly given, but then taken away (much like the opera).

In jazz, the augmented second comes up quite a bit. Mainly when dealing with the Jazz minor (melodic minor ascending)

Take the 7th mode of the C melodic minor, which is sometimes called the Super Locrian, or the Altered Scale. Here are the notes:

B C D Eb F G A

Now this scale can be thought of as having a flat second, an augmented second, a flat third and a major third! Pretty weird huh?

Now I'm not actually going to explain all the reasons why, but when you make the B Chord from this scale, you don't just take the 1, 3, 5, and 7. You actually take the 1, 4, 5 and 7 (B, Eb, F, and A), which makes a Dominant chord with a flat 5. If you also put the 9th in the chord, you use the C, which makes it a flat 9 chord.
so the chord is

B, Eb, F, A, C - B7b9b5

This is a very common jazz chord, and is frequently used in Minor 2-5-1 progressions such as:

F#min7b5 - B7b9b5 - Eminor(major7)

hmm.. Now that I think about it, this probably didn't help anyone. Maybe Jolly will like it.... :D

Originally Posted by: StrausbaughHowdy, im new here.. hooray for me!

Anyway, the aug 2 is what they term the interval between the 6th and the raised 7 in your harmonic minor scale. For instance, in the last post, they mentioned E to F## ... which is the same ( basically ) as G, right? In this case, the scale would be G# Harmonic minor ... G# A# B C# D# E F## G#. in 'proper' theory practice , you have to use each letter , alphabetically... so you cant say ' E G G#'... Yeah, i know , its a bit anal but , its ALSO reallly old theory.

Mike

An aug 2nd is just a name for an interval. On the guitar it would be a difference of 3 frets frt 1 = C frt 3 = call it what you like. What would we call a chord with a major 2nd in it especially if the chord had a major 3rd in it too. :rolleyes: I see these chords called aug 2nd, on tab sites when I do there is no 7th present. Hey maybe thats why they are free

Originally Posted by: StrausbaughHowdy, im new here.. hooray for me!

Anyway, the aug 2 is what they term the interval between the 6th and the raised 7 in your harmonic minor scale. For instance, in the last post, they mentioned E to F## ... which is the same ( basically ) as G, right? In this case, the scale would be G# Harmonic minor ... G# A# B C# D# E F## G#. in 'proper' theory practice , you have to use each letter , alphabetically... so you cant say ' E G G#'... Yeah, i know , its a bit anal but , its ALSO reallly old theory.

Mike

keep workin on it mike :p