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tomcas929
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tomcas929
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09/18/2005 11:35 pm
Rask, you make good points on your last post.

I'm not quite "getting it" yet on how to properly post multiple quotes here so I'll just touch on a couple of points.

-You do, but I don't have a problem with companies paying reparations...of some sort...I'm not saying to just blindly put money in the pockets of poor folks. That obviously will not work. So there we are probably in a dead-lock.

But here's the crucial factor of what you wrote:

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In the end, this problem comes down to child-rearing and education and the disintegration of the family.

And, sadly, you can't make somebody learn, you can't make [usually] a father stay dedicated to his children nor can you make whoever decides to raise the child(ren) bring them up to be upstanding citizens.

Until the cultural factors encouraging these things change, any handouts or reparations will be largely wasted.
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Truer words could not be written. But my immediate thoughts are to make the point of why poor blacks are that way because of historical reasons...and that point always sounds like excuses. They are not excuses, merely reasons.

So what is the answer? It's simple really but no one will touch it with a ten foot poll. Here it is: People on welfare need to answer to society that's giving them help, and answer on a regular basis, answer in detail, be tracked, monitored, couseled, taught, etc, etc.....until they no longer have the need for welfare. They are wards of the state without ANY accountability to speak of as it is NOW. People don't want to touch it because it is an old debate with strongly held beliefs that it would create another class of citizen...the slave citizen. But what the hell is it now? I don't see any other answer. It doesn't work as it is now, so why not try something else. If a program like this is done, couseling will be a big part of it to deprogram the way of thinking that many poorer folks have. And who should pay for such a program...well, I've already answered that.

For those that think welfare should, or even could be abolished....well, research will show you that the only folks who want that are the political leaders and business men who profit from prisons. If you eliminate welfare you will pay far more taxes in the end processing people through jails and courts. Do you have any idea how much it costs, averaged per inmate, to keep someone in prison? Depending on the locale and other factors, between $30k and $60k per year!!! Now, tell me there is not money for the program I describe.

The bottom line is that if a person wants the "people's" money, they need to be accountable, COMPLETELY, to the people. Not the half-ass accountability that we have now.....no....make that tenth-of-an-ass.