Originally Posted by: HambergBy barre chords do you mean triads? Because theres only 7 triads in any given key.
Who knows...maybe he's talking about chromatic leading tone chords, but I doubt it.
i cant even write my own song
Who knows...maybe he's talking about chromatic leading tone chords, but I doubt it.
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you know i've tried to keep quiet before about this...but i'm sorry and i can't anymore...what the hell's up with you people and being so formulaic with songwriting? it isn't about a certain structure, it's about finding a groove and something that moves people, you can't get that from a certain form and not everyone can write songs nor should everyone write songs.
whatever happened to writing a song to write a song and not worrying about form or a hook? if those things happen, they happen but they aren't needed.
if i've offended someone, i'm sorry....but i'm actually pretty offended by this thread and how many people who are willing to lower songwriting from an artform to just some formula. you people are the same people who end up ruining music.
whatever happened to writing a song to write a song and not worrying about form or a hook? if those things happen, they happen but they aren't needed.
if i've offended someone, i'm sorry....but i'm actually pretty offended by this thread and how many people who are willing to lower songwriting from an artform to just some formula. you people are the same people who end up ruining music.
okay...my post is done...goodbye.
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Originally Posted by: tehplatypuswhatever happened to writing a song to write a song and not worrying about form or a hook? if those things happen, they happen but they aren't needed.
I disagree, a hook is pretty necessary. Without a melody people can remember, the song is pretty worthless. I mean, we're not writing tone poems.
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Originally Posted by: tehplatypusyou know i've tried to keep quiet before about this...but i'm sorry and i can't anymore...what the hell's up with you people and being so formulaic with songwriting? it isn't about a certain structure, it's about finding a groove and something that moves people, you can't get that from a certain form and not everyone can write songs nor should everyone write songs.
whatever happened to writing a song to write a song and not worrying about form or a hook? if those things happen, they happen but they aren't needed.
if i've offended someone, i'm sorry....but i'm actually pretty offended by this thread and how many people who are willing to lower songwriting from an artform to just some formula. you people are the same people who end up ruining music.
Eggs23508: haha, we're ruining music?
Jon the Villain: more the people going "try doing verse verse, chorus, bridge, chorus, verse verse i find it works great for me!"
Jon the Villain: you know...the people just out and out telling him what to play
Eggs23508: ah
Jon the Villain: maybe i should specify that?
now i have. :p
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Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonI disagree, a hook is pretty necessary. Without a melody people can remember, the song is pretty worthless. I mean, we're not writing tone poems.
eh, i beg to differ that a song could go on without repeating a hook(a melody has to be repeated to be the hook, right?). if you just mean a melodic presence, then yeah, that's needed sometimes. you don't have to necessarily have a repeating of a melody, though.
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Originally Posted by: redwormlyrics really don't matter as long as it sounds good.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hamberg]they do matter
Ah, touche.
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Originally Posted by: Hambergtry arranging a song like this...
intro
verse
prechorus
verse
prechorus
chorus
bridge
1/2verse
prechorus
chorus2x
outro
You have to think out side of the box to get this to work.
Wait a minute...you just gave him a box to arrange a song in and then told him to think outside the box and abandon patterns?
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Originally Posted by: tehplatypusyou know i've tried to keep quiet before about this...but i'm sorry and i can't anymore...what the hell's up with you people and being so formulaic with songwriting? it isn't about a certain structure, it's about finding a groove and something that moves people, you can't get that from a certain form and not everyone can write songs nor should everyone write songs.
whatever happened to writing a song to write a song and not worrying about form or a hook? if those things happen, they happen but they aren't needed.
if i've offended someone, i'm sorry....but i'm actually pretty offended by this thread and how many people who are willing to lower songwriting from an artform to just some formula. you people are the same people who end up ruining music.
The point of the formula is to learn something from it (like how to write sick riffs) not to use it for every song. If you want to learn arrangement then study chord arrangments.
Bass guitar is the answer to everything
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Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonWait a minute...you just gave him a box to arrange a song in and then told him to think outside the box and abandon patterns?
The out of the box part comes at the 1/2 verse part (mine never could be counted as a 32 bar song; it always turned out to be some odd number of bars until recently.)
Bass guitar is the answer to everything
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helllp me i suck at writing songs ive been writing all my life so i try to right about my ex but i cant which sound stupid but ya
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Originally Posted by: HambergThe point of the formula is to learn something from it (like how to write sick riffs) not to use it for every song. If you want to learn arrangement then study chord arrangments.
yeah but you don't present any analysis or feel or anything...you just gave him a formula for an example and that's it. he's better off learning other people's songs and learning form through the bands and artists that will eventually end up defining his sound as a writer anyways.
writing isn't a science unless you're writing classical and even then you can get away with faking it (see 12 tone series, john cage, and shoenberg).
you don't write sick riffs from formulas, you write sick riffs because they come to you from jamming and from having the creativity in you already.
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Well. I've used the formula alot in the past, until I figured out a better ways to arrange songs. My music sounds original. 2 years ago I couldn't write a riff to save my life. I now can crank them out all day long. I've been playing for 12 years btw. Creativity isnt something your just born with. It has to develope. Theres nothing wrong with using a formula to learn. Saying that there is is almost like saying that learning theory altogether is the wrong thing to do.
Bass guitar is the answer to everything
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Originally Posted by: HambergCreativity isnt something your just born with.
that's an arguable point.
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consider this. I would imagine that a monkey could add 1 + 1 together and get the correct answer. As could a human. I'm sure that a monkey couldn't be taught how to do something like long division while a human can. So a human is born with the capacity to learn more about math then a monkey. At the same time when both species are first born neither are capable of adding 1 + 1.
Bass guitar is the answer to everything
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Originally Posted by: Hambergconsider this. I would imagine that a monkey could add 1 + 1 together and get the correct answer. As could a human. I'm sure that a monkey couldn't be taught how to do something like long division while a human can. So a human is born with the capacity to learn more about math then a monkey. At the same time when both species are first born neither are capable of adding 1 + 1.
And some humans are born with the capacity to understand mathematical concepts better than other humans. In the same way, some humans are born more creative than other humans. Some people just cannot write a good melody. I've met these people. Some people cannot write a good story/poem/lyrics/comedy piece, and they never WILL be able to because for some reason they can't grasp the ideas of cadence and structure. Mozart was born more intelligent and creative than I, and I'm willing to admit that. I don't think I'm limiting myself by saying that, I'm merely recognizing what is true.
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it has to all do with a persons motivations, with the right determination it is easy to master anything.
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Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonAnd some humans are born with the capacity to understand mathematical concepts better than other humans. In the same way, some humans are born more creative than other humans. Mozart was born more intelligent and creative than I, and I'm willing to admit that. I don't think I'm limiting myself by saying that, I'm merely recognizing what is true.
I'll give you that but at the same time...
its 10% physical (genetics) and 100% mental (what Armenian said)
Bass guitar is the answer to everything
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Originally Posted by: HambergI'll give you that but at the same time...
its 10% physical (genetics) and 100% mental
Well, I feel that a persons range of intelligence is determined at his birth, but his upbringing and such can either bring him closer to the top of that range or nearer the bottom. Anything 100% mental requires people whose intellect exceeds that of others. If Bob is much much smarter than John, Bob's more likely to not only do well in Quantum Mechanics, but also to even comprehend it.
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Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonAnything 100% mental requires people whose intellect exceeds that of others.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jolly McJollyson]If Bob is much much smarter than John, Bob's more likely to not only do well in Quantum Mechanics, but also to even comprehend it.
Deep. Not really. :)
... and that's all I have to say about that.
[U]ALL[/U] generalizations are [U]WRONG[/U]
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[U]ALL[/U] generalizations are [U]WRONG[/U]
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Originally Posted by: iamthe_eggmanDeep. Not really. :)
Deep or not, it's still true.
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