This thread is getting stupid now. There's no point in arguing about rap vs. rock. It one of those apples vs. oranges issues. Rock and rap were never intended to be compared. Instead of trying to draw comparisons, can't we just accept them both for what they are. Rap is never gonna be about how difficult it is to create a beat. That shouldnt be the standard of how we judge music.

And a question for chris: have you checked out any of the rap groups that have been mentioned?