Originally Posted by: FireAndIce24satch isnt a mindless wanker in any sense. at least his newer stuff.[/quote]This may be your opinion (and one shared by a lot of people here), but it's not true of everybody and it's unrealistic to expect it to be.

Originally Posted by: FireAndIce24he has quite a lot of non shred songs which are quite hard not to enjoy.[/quote]Again, your opinion.

Originally Posted by: FireAndIce24and im not talking just for myself or just for musicians.[/quote]Say what you will, with the exception of my Uncle (who played trumpet back in high school), every Satriani fan I know is a guitarist and I don't know a single Vai fan who isn't.


[QUOTE=FireAndIce24]and Eddie being boring? come on....

On the Revolutions of Heavenly Spheres by Nicolaus Copernicus was a landmark event in both Astronimy and Mathmatics, not only for proving the Helio-centric model of the solar system and putting all the (then) known planets into the correct order, but also for a number of other revolutionary insights.

But to me, it's the most boring compilation of words, diagrams and figures I've ever subjected myself to.

Yet, by that same token, I find Richard Dawkins' dry, lengthy, tedious and wholly logical books on Evolutionary Theory infinately fascinating.

Now that I think about it, I have a cousin that isn't interested in music at all. It's all a matter of taste and what interests one person isn't going to interest everybody else.


[QUOTE=FireAndIce24]at that point its not taste, its wanting to stick to an idea of what is good music.

No, it is taste and that you're discussing this in subjective terms such as "good" is proof of this.

Personally, I can't fathom how anyone can't like Morphine's low tones, brooding, dark, sexually-charged atmosphere and poetic lyrics, but my buddy Carl finds them boring and repetitive. Yet, he'll listen to Blues shuffles all day long.

When it comes to music, we all listen for and find different things in it. We are all individuals and so even among guitarists, you're going to find a wide variety of perspectives on how the instrument should be played and and can be best implemented in a band.


[QUOTE=FireAndIce24]yeah we all got opinoins, but thats just bad musical taste...especially for a guitarist

First off, ask any seasoned guitarist here; there is no faster way to lose an audience made up of "your average Joes" than to spend as much time soloing as Satch or Vai do. The "average Joe" is listening to "the beat," the melody, and the lyrics (not necessarily in that order) and everything else isn't much relevent to them. Pop record producers (rock and country) are very conscious of this and sucessful bands understand it intiatively. Hell, even Frank Zappa who always employed the best musicians he could get his hands on (including Vai and Adrian Belew) would forgo extensive soloing and technical virtuosity in his arrangements when he felt the need to cater to certain audiences.

How fast or cleanly you sweep (or how original your music is) isn't nearly as important to Average Joe as what they're listening to "sounding good" and when it comes to that, Curt Cobain has just as good a shot as any "technical" guitar legend you can think of.

In a way, that makes me sad, but then again I also realize that I don't care how well scripted, cast, acted, directed or special effects'd a horror movie is, it's just not my bag.


So, if you're looking to impress other guitarists, Vai and Satch are great influences. If your focus is more on songwriting, then they're probably not the guys you want to be idolizing.

Personally, I think something in between is best, but that's just me.