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The Red Tuning.
John825
Thanks, I will try that. I didn't think you were using a baritone guitar, so I just wanted to know. I use regular slinky's, which might abet the muddy tones.

Thanks a bunch!
Forum: Ask Mike Olekshy
4:49:46 PM
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Serialism
John825
Thanks!!! I was curious as to what these terms meant. I read them somewhere but have remembered them for a while.

I know several guitar songs utilized something like this, I just never knew the name of it.


Anyways thanks, and have a great day!
Forum: Ask Christopher Schlegel
4:45:50 PM
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alternate tunings
John825
Originally Posted by: Guitar
I don't know what you mean, when you say that your guitar "seems to be subtle in terms of quality" - did you mean that the guitar seems 'stable' (not moving around) when tuned above standard pitch?

In any case, it's OK to leave a guitar tuned higher than standard indefinitely, as long as you have the instrument adjusted for the higher string-tension: people frequently use strings that are lighter-gauge (so, lower tension) than the strings that they use when tuned to standard pitch, and they have the instrument's neck truss-rod adjusted for that tension. The problem arises when you want to go 'back and forth' between two different tunings, without re-adjustiong the instrument.

One whole-step (from E, to F#) is a substantial increase in string-tension; trying to find a single set-up that works equally well at both tunings (with the same strings for both) is going to be a compromise. You're probably going to have more relief (forward 'bow') in the neck than you'd prefer, when tuned to the higher tension - otherwise, if you adjust the neck's truss-rod for the higher string-tension, you may wind up with a 'back-bow' (negative relief) in the fingerboard when tuned to the lower tension - this will produce uncontrollable fret-rattle in the lower frets (near the nut).

I hope that this is all clear - please don't hesitate to ask more questions, or for clarification.

Stephen White


What I meant by that is that I can't really tell if the guitar is in good condition because of it.

BTW, I do this on an acoustic guitar, not an electric.

I'm somewhat ignorant to the concept of the truss rod and adjustments for that matter, but thank you for the explanation. I didn't know about this before. What do people do wth the truss rod? Sorry for the ignorance, I'm very curious.

Thank you,

Johnathan
Forum: Ask a Guitar Tech
3:32:08 PM
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alternate tunings
John825
Dear Guitar Tech,

Would it be a bad for the guitar if I've been tuning up a whole step to F# standard and leaving it that way for days? I've been doing this for quite a while, but the guitar seems to be subtle in terms of quality.
Forum: Ask a Guitar Tech
12:20:16 AM
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Low Tunings
John825
Hello, my name is Johnathan and I have a question regarding tunings. I utilize a lot of tunings in my playing, and being a fan of modern rock, a lot of my favorite bands use low tunings: Drop C, Drop B, D Standard, C# Standard, C Standard, etc. How do some guitarists make those tunings the way they sound (as in good, not muddy or crappy)? The last time I went to Drop C it sounded out of tune, yet other guitarists make that tuning, and others that are lower, sound well. I understand some guitarists utilize baritone guitars (Pete Loeffler, Robb Flynn, and Mike Mushok), but there are other guitarists who seem to use regular guitars, such as Les Pauls, yet can go down to Drop B and other radical tunings without it sounding like crap. Maybe there's something I'm missing here, but can you help me with this? How are they able to do that? I don't have an expensive guitar (a squier), but I stand confused at how some guitarists are able to go low with guitars such as Les Pauls (such as Josh Homme whom plays in C Standard and Tyler Connolly who used a Les Paul in Drop B in TOAD's debut), yet others use baritones. As for players in bands that go to Drop Bb, do they use baritones or is it possible to go that low on regular guitars with a little tweaking? If so, what do those guitarists do to the guitar to go that low? Do a lot of guitarists who go low, utilize baritones or regular guitars? I apologize for the plethora of questions, and if what I convey and write about is inconsistent in terms of writing, but I'm just curious about this. VERY CURIOUS.

Thank you, I really appreciate it! Smilie
Forum: Ask a Guitar Tech
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The Red Tuning.
John825
Hello Mike, I have a question regarding "The Red"'s tuning. I know how to tune down to C# standard, the problem I have is in making it sound good. How do you do that? The lowest I've gone that still produced a well-sounding guitar was Drop C#. Anything below that sounds muddy and awful, and that includes D standard. How did you make your guitar sound good, despite the low tuning? Was it a specific range of gauged strings or what did you do to make it sound well?
Forum: Ask Mike Olekshy
1:10:13 PM
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Hello GT guitarists!!
John825
If it's a little tedious to learn the F chord, maybe you can learn the triad version and the non-barre version I use when I tune up. If you don't know how to read it, the x's represent muted strings. I'm not too sure if you understand how to read this, but if you don't I apologize. The E on the bottom (the one with the 1 on it on the second example) is the thickest string, the one closes to you and it descends from there. The number indicates the "space" in which you will place your finger. If this is confusing, I apologize.

1)

E -x
B -1
G -2
D -3
A -x
E -x

2)

E - x
B - x
G - 2
D - 3
A - 3
E - 1

3)

E -x
B -1
G -2
D -3
A -3
E -x

^^^This last one is an F chord with a C bass note, but it's helpful to learn since it contains the same notes as an F chord, it just contains a C as the bass note.

Then just practice the barre F chord slowly and at your own pace.
Forum: Introduction Forum
12:01:59 AM
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Letter Love Boxes - The Posies
John825
I've been in love with the guitar textures and sublimes chords this song utilizes. I was wondering if this one could be done?
Forum: Song Request Forum
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Tonight - Seether
John825
I also believe the tuning is Drop C#, but haven't gotten around the song because of subtleties within it (multiple guitar layers).
Forum: Song Request Forum
3:57:23 PM
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More Disturbed and Godsmack please!
John825
I agree, please listen to this post!
Forum: Song Request Forum
3:49:22 PM
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Tonight - Seether
John825
There has been one song in my mind that I can't seem to comprehend. Would you please look at this song, please? I looked at one of Guitar World's issues and saw that "Country Song" was there, but was disappointed when I found out about this superb song on the same album, knowing they did "Country Song" instead. Thank you very much, and I think it's neat of you to take requests.
Forum: Song Request Forum
3:47:23 PM
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Serialism
John825
Would you happen to know what serialism, retrograde, and retrograde inversion are? If so, could you give an example and delineate what those terms mean? If not, I understand and thank you nonetheless. Have a great day.
Forum: Ask Christopher Schlegel
3:45:07 PM
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Mission by Rush - key changes
John825
Sorry Pixel if this doesn't pertain to your post, I'm new to key changes, haha.

Carl, do you mind elaborating how Nirvana utilizes modulation in their music?
Forum: Music Theory
3:39:53 PM
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Question about modes.
John825
Thank you both for your responses, I have a hang of it now.
Forum: Music Theory
3:35:51 PM
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Serialism and retrograde.
John825
I was reading something online and it said how some musicians utilize serial composition in their music or serialism. What is serialism? Also, what is retrograde and retrograde inversion and could you give an example? I'm very curious as to what these terms mean. Thank you, it is appreciated.
Forum: Music Theory
3:35:01 PM
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Question about modes.
John825
Thank you! I didn't really think that was the reason/reasons. I thought there would be some kind of concrete explanation behind modes instead of an abstract idea.
Forum: Music Theory
10:59:42 PM
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Question about modes.
John825
Hello, my name is Johnathan and I'm in a guitar club at my high school and the one in charge went over modes and their starting points, as well as the formulas that come for each one and formal names. Anyways, I realize they all have the same notes, but with different tonic centers. My main question; what's the point of modes? I'm somewhat knowledgeable in theory but I'll try to manage to understand any responses I receive. Thanks!
Forum: Music Theory
9:17:29 PM
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Songwriting Program
John825
Hello, I'm Johnathan and joined about an hour ago. There's some things here that I'm frankly flabbergasted about: chords, song lessons, and style studies.

Anyways I have one question; where do I get the free songwriting program? It is appreciated it.
Forum: Introduction Forum
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