LOL. Well, compared to me, you are an expert on sweep picking. (you introduced me to Frank Gambale, remember?) I totally suck at it. I can rake down through any manner of crazy combos, but when it comes to sweeping back up, I just can't do it.

P.S. I guess I'm the new moderator (although Jon hasn't told me what it is I'm supposed to do exactly) so here goes -> a-p-p-r-o-a-c-h.

Christoph
From time to time i will expect you to spell all,
the words i can'nt spell bro.


Moderator hip hip haray your the MAN

mARK

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thats a name I haven't heard on this site yet, I love the stuff he did w/chic Corea. The only solo album I heard was the power trio one he did with the old drummer from Journey & Stu Hamm, it wasn't very good.
It would be nice if we could have a chat about some serious guitar players without everybody jumping in screaming about Satch, Vai, & that knuckle-head from Metalicca.
I've been trying to find some new stuff to listen to, but nobodys really grabbed my attention over the years, so I end up listening to the same players over & over, I need some suggestions. Here's the guys I've been listening to a lot over the years, any suggestions:
Robben Ford....Phish....Indigenous...SRV...Larry Carlton
Pat Metheny...Hendrix...Jimmy Bruno...Pat Martino
Mike Stern

chris, you gotta check out IA at http://www.freakkitchen.com
that guy sounds like....himself...errrrrrrr
and ron thal too, over at http://www.ronthal.com
well if you're bored with music nowadays, maybe you won't love them, but they'll get you out of your boredom...

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Chris
Frank Gamble is mister sweep picker! that should be,
his last name!I got into frank back in 77 from reading,
plus takeing Guitar Magazine since the early 70s or,
late 60s .Without guys like him kirk ect would have never heard,of sweep picking,and a lot of so called sweepers.
Last i heard of him he had a web page up here,
He was also doing his recordings thro steve vai's studio.
That was this year.Frank gamble is a Fusion Wizard.
And yes i'm talking about the (crossroads=steve vai)
Frank gamble is a master of speed plus has some books,
out on speed picking this year.
He still tours every year mainly out of the country,
I would say mister vai learnt alot from Frank G.
Frank still lives in (Australia) Frank gamble can do,
alot of wammy bar licks with just his fingers.
Really Chris i could,nt name all the guitarists i've,
studied the list would be to long.I will say one thing,
you've been listening to some great guitarists.
I can name a few besides Frank just a few!
Kenny burrell,wes montgomry,in the jazz field.
plus countless others in all fields including (Metal)
My son got me into metal when he took up guitar,
plus i have alot of students now that want everything,
from New country,blues,jazz,rockabilly,southern rock,
Hard rock,Metal, and the list goes on.
By the way Frank started playing guitar the same,
year i started 1961.
On suggestions who to listen to i try to listen to,
all of them if i can.(which is hard to do anymore)
Luckly i have my son to keep me up on the metal stuff.
We do have a little cutting heads get to gather ,
every now then thats fun to do in blues.
I try to chat more with you on some of the great forgoten,
Guitarists from time to time.
You might try finding his web page? it was up here,if
you find it before i do give me the url!
Last time i checked a few months back he featured a lick,
of the week.(Frank Gamble's page i mean.

Mark

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Here's a Quote from Frank G. on Sweep picking.1987
Many Players use some sweep picking licks without realizing
how far the approach can be taken.
The most common pickstyle method uses strict alternate,
strokes (down up, down up,ect.
however ,some players opt for a less articulated effect,
where a picked note is followed by hammer-ons and,
/or pull-offs.In sweep picking,the same pick stroke is
used to play from two to six notes-hence the term;
sweep,Depending on the phrase,some alternate picking,
is employed.
The economy of sweep picking enables you to play a lot
of notes with minimal movement of the picking hand.
Making it easer to play at high velocities.
When you have 3 notes per string in a tab there ia a,
tendency to give it a triplet feel, so be sure,
and pratice in groups of two or four notes per beat.
(eighths and sixteenths respectively).At first only,
pratice ascending .When your comfortable with ascending,
work on descending many players find ascending sweeps,
much more natural fealing.
1.Keep the notes as separate as possible--almost staccato
(short) at first especially when crossing strings.
Newcomers to sweep picking tend to run the notes,
togather.
2.Watch your right hand and make sure that you are useing
a single movement when crossing strings,not two separate
successive strokes.
3.Alwasy practice with a metronome or a drum machine,
making sure that the notes are clean and even.
Be critical and honest when evaluating your self.
4.its harder to sweep at slower tempos.

Mark





[Edited by skee1 on 11-06-2001 at 12:42 PM]

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lalimacefolle- tried downloading some stuff but my real player keeps booting me off, having some real problems here. Looks pretty interesting, sorta Frnk Zappa ish, I like that.
Skee- I'm pretty famaliar w/the jazz stuff, have listened to a lot of wes, herb ellis, bireli lagrene, emily remler, in the past. I have to check out more of kenny burrells stuff though, I only know him from the radio, and the stuff I heard I enjoyed immensely. Have you ever listened to Jimmy Bruno, amazing be-bop player, does the sweep picking and scale pivots etc..I had the oppurtunity to study w/him for a couple of months, quite an amazing player, learned a lot. Check him out if your not familiar w/him http://www.jimmybruno.com
If you like frank gambale, check out scott henderson from tribal tech, he doesn't do the sweep picking but he jams.
Last I heard about Frank Gambale he was in Hollywood Calf. running G.I.T. Still true?
Holdsworth is cool too, I'm sure your familiar w/him.
Can you recco. any Kenny Burrell cd's?
what about Roy Buchanan? Not too familiar w/him, would like to check him out.
I hear the guitar player from Roomfull of Blues is pretty interesting to.
As for the country players I love the Hellecasters and Duke Levine (definetely check duke out if you haven't already)
I like the rock stuff too, don't get me wrong, Satch, Vai, Eric Johnson, Petrucci, Van Halen, etc.. are all great players, I just prefer the sound of disanant jazz harmonies and scales. Plus, it all sounds so worked out to me, I like creative and spontaniuos players.
Thanks for the suggestions, keep em coming -Chris-
Hey Skee - if you still get guitar player magazine check out the Feb. 2001 issue (lenny kravits on the cover) you'll see my ugly mug in the back pages of the session columns

[Edited by chris mood on 11-06-2001 at 12:59 PM]